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Cool, thanks for posting it.

Effective as of December 1, 2008
The Board of State Examiner of Plumbers and Gas Fitters at its regularly scheduled meeting held on November 26, 2008, voted to temporarily rescind the approval of all Corrugated Stainless Steel Gas Piping Systems (CSST) in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts until such time as the Manufactures' recently amended bonding requirements are resolved by the appropriate Authorities Having Jurisdiction.

Gas permits issued prior to the above effective date for the installation of CSST Gas Piping Systems are NOT affected by this decision.
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Omegaflex is having some major issues with their new Counter strike CSST
(the black CSST). When it first came out they insisted it did not have to be bonded. I called them and they insisted it was safe and tested for use without bonding.

I had heard that just recently they sent out notices saying that the counter strike needs bonding. No surprise huh. Apparently it was never tested properly by the company.

You would think that with the 100 million dollar lawsuit that they just had would encourage them to cover their butts.
 
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480sparky said:
I thought Masserchewsets was a Commonwealth?:confused:
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Oh it is,.. it is,.. I was just using that term as a way of poking fun at how far to the left our State is... the legislature has 40 seats in the senate 5 belong to republicans ,.. we have 160 seats in the house 19 are held by republicans ... so the debate is always the wicked left vs the regular o'le left.... and the far left seems to be in the drivers seat . ... "Together we can"

But they sure got it right at the plumbing board :smile:
 
M. D. said:
Oh it is,.. it is,.. I was just using that term as a way of poking fun at how far to the left our State is... the legislature has 40 seats in the senate 5 belong to republicans ,.. we have 160 seats in the house 19 are held by republicans ... so the debate is always the wicked left vs the regular o'le left.... and the far left seems to be in the drivers seat . ... "Together we can"

But they sure got it right at the plumbing board :smile:
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Plumbers always get it right.
 
So let me get this straight. There is such a problem with this stuff that we have to ban it. But if you already took out a permit it's safe? :-? Maybe the plumbing board isn't that bright after all.
 
electricmanscott said:
So let me get this straight. There is such a problem with this stuff that we have to ban it. But if you already took out a permit it's safe? :-? Maybe the plumbing board isn't that bright after all.
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It is just like when the code changes ,..what once was considered "safe" is no longer,.. but if you pulled the permit under the now expired code you do not have to meet the requirements of the newly adopted one .. a good place to draw the line IMO
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
What do you tell all of the people who have already had this installed in their properties????
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Same thing you told them after the need to bond this stuff with a #6 hit the streets in the first place ,... IMO the ban is simply late ,..but better late than never,.. lets hope the AHJ never see eye to eye on this bonding issue..

Effective as of December 1, 2008
.....voted to temporarily rescind the approval of all Corrugated Stainless Steel Gas Piping Systems (CSST) in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts until such time as the Manufactures' recently amended bonding requirements are resolved by the appropriate Authorities Having Jurisdiction.

Gas permits issued prior to the above effective date for the installation of CSST Gas Piping Systems are NOT affected by this decision.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
What do you tell all of the people who have already had this installed in their properties????
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Exactly what I was wondering.

Either this is a real problem or it isn't.

The house I just finished had lots of csst. I bonded it with a #4. (thats wht I had with me)

The inspector said don't bother. It's not our problem it's the plumbers. Of course he did want a lone steel beam bonded. :rolleyes:
 
I have a question ,... In Mass there is a lot of black iron pipe,.. so let's say the gas guy adds a piece of csst fifty feet away from the gas service entrance,. now I bond the gas pipe with a #6 two feet in so now we have 48 feet between the bonding connection and the csst connection ,... 48' worth of pipe connections ,.. pipe dope,.. teflon tape and whatever else they use , so are they telling me this is considered a good electrical connection??? I think not.
 
So today as I was coming home I meet a heating contractor who is also an EC. He had just gotten a call from his customer who said he was looking out the front window when there was a lightning strike. He said he could see the lightning flashing across the ground and make a direct hit on the neighbors house. Within seconds the house was engulfed in flames.

I asked if his customer had CSST and he said no just black pipe. I said I bet the neighbor had csst. :mad:. Of course, I am not being fair here since I don't know for sure.

It will be interesting to know what really happened.
 
iwire said:
You lost me, the same question can be asked about almost all changes to the code.
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This is not the same as most code changes.

The changes came inbetween code cycles, with very little consensus input for the process.

The ban that has just occured in Mass is far from normal. I have been involved with the decisions in NYS, and I can tell you it is far from normal. NYS came very close to banning the product as well. I am surmising the reason it was not banned, is the legal department did not want to deal with the public when they found out it was banned and the existing home installations are not being dealt with.
 
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