Decora switch for a disposal

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Cavie said:
This is another example of this forum gone aray. Dave naver said this was about a disconect.
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Cavie, you must have missed this part of Daves post;

I hate to admit it but I think the inspector was probably right, since the switch was technically the disconnect and it didn"t hav "On" of "Off" on it.
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Roger
 
roger said:
And I guess I agree.

It seems odd to me that there is a requirement to mark a white conductor that is used as a hot because some stupid unknowing person might get hurt, yet there is comfort in thinking these same stupid people will use (and even know how to) a breaker lockout.

Go figure.

Roger
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Your right that it wont get used
read the hand book copy on this
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
422.34c is where it sends you next and it says i am fine
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?????

Jim you can not use the breaker as the disconnect on motors over 1/3 HP unless the breaker is in sight or the equipment has a unit switch on it.

(Disposals do not have unit switches)
 
The inspector told me decora has a switch with on and off engraved in it, but a label maker would not pass.
I just put a standard single pole switch on it and the job was finalled today.
I've been doing this work in FL since 1972 and had never had that tagged before and was a little surprised.
One of the things I don't understand is why can the dishwasher sitting right next to the sink be hard wired with no means of disconnect in sight be acceptable but the hard wired disposal isn't?
 
DaveBowden said:
The inspector told me decora has a switch with on and off engraved in it, but a label maker would not pass.
I just put a standard single pole switch on it and the job was finalled today.
I've been doing this work in FL since 1972 and had never had that tagged before and was a little surprised.
One of the things I don't understand is why can the dishwasher sitting right next to the sink be hard wired with no means of disconnect in sight be acceptable but the hard wired disposal isn't?
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Because the dishwasher has a positive 'off' position on the controls?
 
DaveBowden said:
The inspector told me decora has a switch with on and off engraved in it, but a label maker would not pass.
I just put a standard single pole switch on it and the job was finalled today.
I've been doing this work in FL since 1972 and had never had that tagged before and was a little surprised.
One of the things I don't understand is why can the dishwasher sitting right next to the sink be hard wired with no means of disconnect in sight be acceptable but the hard wired disposal isn't?
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what a bad call. Is this hard wired or cord and plug connected. If it is cord and plug connected then that is your disconnect the switch only turns the plug on or off and not a disconnect.
 
77401 said:
iwire said:
(Disposals do not have unit switches)
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We have a winner!

Do you think the water is tainted in Florida? LOL
JK
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Yabut, 422.32 states "within sight from the motor controller". For 422.32 to apply there must be a controller. Since when do disposals have a motor controller? Would the wall switch be considered such? If yes, would this not then make the wall switch a unit switch?
 
bkludecke said:
Because the dishwasher has a positive 'off' position on the controls?
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If Post # 20 on the thread "Microwave and Range Hoods" is right that a disconnect is required on a hard wired range hood ( they have positive on/off controls), I would think it would be the same for the dishwasher.
I'm not saying I agree that it is neede for either - I don't. But then, I thought a single pole decora switch was ok for the disposal.
 
iwire said:
?????

Jim you can not use the breaker as the disconnect on motors over 1/3 HP unless the breaker is in sight or the equipment has a unit switch on it.

(Disposals do not have unit switches)
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We use breakers with locks for disconnects for residential water pumps all the time. Never had an inspector question it.
 
DaveBowden said:
But then, I thought a single pole decora switch was ok for the disposal.
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See post #5

Cavie said:
Dave that's what happens when you piss of the inspector.
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I'm assuming that the whole house is decor style devices.

This inspector is either upset about something or he has no common sense at all. This reminds me of a teacher at the vocational school that I went to for the last 2 years of high school. A couple hundred feet from the school, he blew thru a stop sign and hit the car of a kid driving to that same school. The damage was minor and both cars were still drivable but by the time that the police got done with their reports, everybody was late to school.

They both drove into the school and as they were both walking into the school, the kid asked the teacher to come up to his class and explain the situation so that he wouldn't get written up for being late. The teachers reply was, "But you ARE late".

David
 
77401 said:
This should be a poll but has ANYONE everused or known anyone to use a breaker lock?
NOT ME!
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Yes, for some of the branch circuits in a elevator control room.
 
iwire said:
while you have your book out take a look at 422.32 :)
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My copy says one-eighth HP. . .and it leads off to 430. . .
2005 NEC 422.32 Disconnecting Means for Motor-Driven Appliance

If a switch or circuit breaker serves as the disconnecting means for a permanently connected motor-driven appliance of more than 1/ 8 hp, it shall be located within sight from the motor controller and shall comply with Part IX of Article 430.
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