Dishwaser inspections

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Cavie

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Do any of you inspectors remove the panels at the bottom of the DW's for inspection? When I started inspections, my fellow inspectors laughed at me for getting down and removing them. I do not pass a job unless the DW and DP's are wired and installed. In the last 4 months I have found 3 DW's with no connectors and knots tied in the cord to keep it is the J box.
 
if I were inspecting and found an install like this, i would call the EC and have a talk, he might not be aware his guys are worthless, then I would check every connection in this house, If they messed this up there is probably more.
 
There are alot of so called electricians in the field today, but only a percentage of those believe in quality work.
Im still waiting on the inspector to check under the house to make sure I ran my wires the correct way. 8)
 
Cavie, I understand inspecting the DW if it's installed, but
I do not pass a job unless the DW and DP's are wired and installed.
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how can you force a home owner or builder to install an appliance that the home owner may want to buy later down the road?

Even though the cabinetry may have an opening for a DW doesn't mean there must be one.

Roger
 
Cavie
I can't tell you how many times, we've come in for a trim out to find the plumbers installed the DW & hooked it up.
I assume they need this to test their pipe connections for leaks so they don't get call backs or have to wait for the EC.
 
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Cavie said:
Do any of you inspectors remove the panels at the bottom of the DW's for inspection? When I started inspections, my fellow inspectors laughed at me for getting down and removing them. I do not pass a job unless the DW and DP's are wired and installed. In the last 4 months I have found 3 DW's with no connectors and knots tied in the cord to keep it is the J box.
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what do you mean by "no connectors"?

My dishwasher does not have a cord, it is hardwired with Romex.

I have often wondered why DWs don't come with a cord. It would seem to make sense. Every other appliance has a cord on it.
 
roger said:
Cavie, I understand inspecting the DW if it's installed, but
I do not pass a job unless the DW and DP's are wired and installed.
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how can you force a home owner or builder to install an appliance that the home owner may want to buy later down the road?

Even though the cabinetry may have an opening for a DW doesn't mean there must be one.

Roger
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I'm guessing the job doesn't pass if there are tails for the appliances to be hardwired to, but no appliance. Obviously, you can't force a homeowner to install an appliance they don't want, but you also can fail a job for having exposed wiring.
 
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petersonra said:
Cavie said:
Do any of you inspectors remove the panels at the bottom of the DW's for inspection? When I started inspections, my fellow inspectors laughed at me for getting down and removing them. I do not pass a job unless the DW and DP's are wired and installed. In the last 4 months I have found 3 DW's with no connectors and knots tied in the cord to keep it is the J box.
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what do you mean by "no connectors"?

My dishwasher does not have a cord, it is hardwired with Romex.

I have often wondered why DWs don't come with a cord. It would seem to make sense. Every other appliance has a cord on it.
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The "no connectors" probably refers to not having the appropriate clamps on the j-box. I see this quite a bit.

I think dishwashers often don't come with a cord because it's cheaper that way. The cord costs money, and it's also a more expensive to install a receptacle than it is to hardwire it. But if you ever want to change out the dishwasher someday, it's easier if it's already connected to a receptacle. I generally install receptacles for dishwashers and disposals, but I know some people like them hardwired.
 
I thought when they started letting us put cords on DWs and GDs that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I used to save those two things to the very last when I was setting finish in the kitchen. Never enough room under the DW to get your hand in there and fish out the flex....and they call them the good old days.
 
aftershock said:
Im still waiting on the inspector to check under the house to make sure I ran my wires the correct way. 8)
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1974, Norfolk VA.

I was under a house and ran some romex for a new outlet. I took a 45 degree turn 2' from the end of the beam at the opposite end of the house from the access hole.

Yup, it failed! LOL, the inspector crawled all the way over there and checked it. WOW is all I said.
 
put the contractor on notice of what you are finding, make him aware it is not your job to supervise his crews, if it continues I would require somebody from his company be on site for final inspections to remove covers where needed, you will be suprised how quick it ends when he has to pay somebody to sit and wait for you.
 
A better question is,"Is romex allowed to just be stubed out of the drywall ran across the floor to the dishwasher j- box and connected?" I never do an install this way. I always put a box in the wall for DW and Disposers and put in a receptacle. appliance cords are not that expencive and make for a much more professional hookup. not to mention a safe way to ensure that disposer wil not come on when you jam your hand in there looking for something.
 
bikeindy said:
A better question is,"Is romex allowed to just be stubed out of the drywall ran across the floor to the dishwasher j- box and connected?" I never do an install this way. I always put a box in the wall for DW and Disposers and put in a receptacle. appliance cords are not that expencive and make for a much more professional hookup. not to mention a safe way to ensure that disposer wil not come on when you jam your hand in there looking for something.
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You just created what i call a violation.A cord replacing hard wiring to a fixed appliance.What is likelyhood of damage that romex will see that your cord will not ?
 
mpd said:
put the contractor on notice of what you are finding, make him aware it is not your job to supervise his crews, if it continues I would require somebody from his company be on site for final inspections to remove covers where needed, you will be suprised how quick it ends when he has to pay somebody to sit and wait for you.
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It is your job to inspect and pass or fail as needed and within the code.Just do your job.Reinspects pay your true cost.If we all did great work you would be unemployed
 
Dishwashers are allowed to be hard wired with romex to the j-box. I don't like it but it is alowed. There must be a connector in the j-box. With this insatlation, I require a "Lockout" on the breaker as there is no "disconect insight". They complain and try to use the "unit switch" exception but I disallow it as I have not seen a unit switch on a dishwasher in 20 years. I suspect that it is the plumber installing the dishwasher with the knots in the cord as the electrican likely left the cord for him. That is how I used to do it. However, I left the connector and the wirenuts also. the dishwashers are usually in the hole or on sight at time of final inspedtion so I require them to be installed.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
You just created what i call a violation.A cord replacing hard wiring to a fixed appliance.What is likelyhood of damage that romex will see that your cord will not ?
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Replaced what hard wire? and they sell appliance cords listed for disposers and dishwashers. I have even seen some dishwashers in the last year with cords already on them. so what you call a violation I would like to have a code reference for.
 
1974, Norfolk VA.

Hardworkingstiff sure is getting old. It is no wonder your getting stiff. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
jim w

my job is not to supervise, provide punchlists, or babysit, an inspection should not be scheduled until it is ready, that is the contractors job to check the job BEFORE scheduling an inspection, pemit costs pay me not re-inspects, I get paid the same for good work or bad work, if you all did great work I would still be employed
 
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