dishwasher connections

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I am seeing alot of this type of installation and have some concerns. Has anyone else seen this? The electrician leaves a length of romex hanging out at the rough-in for the dishwasher connection. At final, without securing the wire to the box, protecting the romex where it comes out of the wall or securing the nonmetallic box, he sticks the romex in the box, installs a receptacle and face plate, leaves the box flopping around under the dishwasher and plugs in a cord.

What do you think?
 
Sounds like a violation to me since the box isn't supported. If the dishwasher were hard wired than IMO it would be code compliant. That is after the breaker lock was installed.
 
Two violations. Unsupported cable, unsupported box, make that three as Trevor mentions breaker lock also. IMO these guys are costing the boss on unnecessary trips back for connection.
[422.33] Cord and plug accessiblity can easily be connected into the Dishwasher receptacle provided under the kitchen sink . The appliance can be ordered with 6' cord prewired. This way the installation is in compliance with NEC and no extra call is needed. The plumber needs to run the supply and drain from the sink area and will probably use the cord access hole you drilled if the cabinets are there. Other wise the plumber will need to plug it in to check out his work. :)
 
I like to see it done this way. The reason is, the code says the recptical can be in the same space as the dishwasher. Install it in the wall behind the DW and it is not accessible but code compliant. At least if it is floting it can be unpluged by the repairman. It ain't like it's gonna move around. Some Dw's are not next to the sink space. If hard wired it gets a lockout on the breaker.
 
Cavie said:
Some Dw's are not next to the sink space.
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What, DW is not next to the sink? A small pig in the front Yard! LMAO
So some homeowner is going to wash dishes & walk across the kitchen with wet plates dripping water? I don't think so, Tim.

Even if so put the plug in the cabinet adjacent to the DW & cord connect it.

On my kitchen remodels everything gets cord connected, DW, DISP, VENTHOOD etc.
 
gndrod said:
[422.33] Cord and plug accessiblity can easily be connected into the Dishwasher receptacle provided under the kitchen sink . The appliance can be ordered with 6' cord prewired. This way the installation is in compliance with NEC and no extra call is needed. The plumber needs to run the supply and drain from the sink area and will probably use the cord access hole you drilled if the cabinets are there. Other wise the plumber will need to plug it in to check out his work. :)
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A dishwasher can be ordered with 6' cord prewired?

News to me!

About 80% of the time, we install a 6' cord and the rest of the time the GC has his boys do it. It plugs into the hot side of the duplex receptacle under the sink that is also the switched outlet for the disposal. Done it like a zillion times.
 
77401,
I don't think saving time by needing to come back to hard wire up a late delivered appliance is sinking in with these guys. Yo Minuteman would you pay me for the extra time to do this out of your pocket?
 
Michael,
Just make sure the GC sees it in the contract and that it's an extra for handling the pigtail. Trillions served and no problem.
 
Hey, I like to cord & plug connect the DW too but you need to watch for 422.16 (B)(2)(2) which limits the length of the cord to 3-4ft "from the attachment plug the plane of the rear of the appliance" what ever that means.

Bob on the left coast.
 
Bob,
I have not seen a back connected DW J box hook-up. The j box is usually on the front right side kick space area of the DW. If you measure the cord from that box to the back of the unit, it is an additional two feet in length...hence a 6' cord is qualified under that circumstance.
 
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About 80% of the time, we install a 6' cord and the rest of the time the GC has his boys do it. It plugs into the hot side of the duplex receptacle under the sink that is also the switched outlet for the disposal. Done it like a zillion times.
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We have a close relationship with 2 GC companies. There is a few things that we do that is done out of consideration. I know - it's a old fashioned character trait that has become obsolete on the East & West costs, but out here in middle America, we sometimes do things out of kindness.

So, I'm supposed to install the cord on the dishwasher, disposal, and electric stove. But, sometimes GC does it if they are installing the appliances and are nice enough to save us a trip. And we do things for them too.

Like, swing by and unlock for somebody, or whatever. I might even pick up something at the big box for them while I'm there.

GC also calls us up and gives us T&M jobs on remodels. Also, they have a handful of well-to-do old customers in the nicer part of town that call the GC about every little thing, and GC calls us to handle the electric stuff. So, we go the extra mile for them - because they do things for us.

I know, it sounds weird to y'all, but it's called "customer relations" and we believe in it!
 
Plug & cord connected appliances, what a concept?
Reminds me of a thread in the 60's about hard wired phone & plug connected phones. People saying... the plug would just get ripped out of the wall.

FYI last two jobs the Disp came already with cords installed. I think (IMHO) DW will be next, then last venthoods? OTR micro's already have cords.
IT'S THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE
 
Michael, Hang on to that as long as you can. It's a dying culture of gentlemen's handshakes our society has forgotten. The closest I have ever been to Oklahoma is Texas and there was no time for back scratchin' from what I experienced.
 
77401 You don't do many custom homes do you. Many homes here have Pan/service tray storage between the sink cab and the DW. Also many Dw's are around the cornner in an L shaped kitchen.
 
Minuteman said:
About 80% of the time, we install a 6' cord and the rest of the time the GC has his boys do it. It plugs into the hot side of the duplex receptacle under the sink that is also the switched outlet for the disposal. Done it like a zillion times.
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Do you put the Disposal and Dishwasher on separate circuits?
 
m73214 said:
Do you put the Disposal and Dishwasher on separate circuits?
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I do. I use a split duplex receptacle under the sink and a two pole 20A breaker. I switch the disposal side with the switch above the counter. Often the electrician will use a two gang box, one side witht he disposal switch and the other with a GFIC receptacle. Two birds and all that.

Taking it one step further, if there is a light over the sink, make that a duplex switch, light and disposal. Three birds and all that.


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