Do you think this sink should require a receptacle?

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Been working on this pretty large resi project ......

There is a big workshop/garage that is attached to the house, inside of which is a half bath. It will have a toilet and a sink like the one pictured below (took the pic at supply house warehouse).

I purposely did not put a receptacle within 3' of the basin. Instead I put it on the opposite wall and at 18" off the floor. It's there for an air freshener or whatever.

Inspector failed the rough-in over not having this recep at counter height next to the sink.

It seemed to me you create more potential for a hazard with a recep there and no countertop, just a huge sink basin. Inspector disagreed..... code is the code sort of thing.


Thoughts? I feel like there should be an exclusion in the code for this. If the garage were detached, would it still be considered part of a dwelling? I wouldn't think so.

This pic is an example of the sink that will be installed....

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This is , of course, an inspector call as to whether he considers the half bath in a garage a dwelling bathroom. Imo, the garage does not have to meet the requirements of a dwelling so I am not convinced a receptacle is required, however I would have installed one... Good question.
Bathroom. An area including a basin with one or more of
the following: a toilet, a urinal, a tub, a shower, a bidet, or
similar plumbing fixtures.
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(D) Bathrooms. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed in bathrooms within 900 mm (3 ft)
of the outside edge of each basin. The receptacle outlet
shall be located on a wall or partition that is adjacent to the
basin or basin countertop, located on the countertop, or
installed on the side or face of the basin cabinet. In no case
shall the receptacle be located more than 300 mm (12 in.)
below the top of the basin. Receptacle outlet assemblies
listed for the application shall be permitted to be installed
in the countertop.
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The potential for a hazard exists whether the receptacle is close to the sink or in the same room but on an opposite wall.

Only difference is that without having a receptacle close to the sink where generally a mirror would be, and also where a hair dryer or curling iron or whatever may need to be used is that the person would have to use an extension cord to get from the receptacle on the opposite side of the room to where a receptacle should have been in the first place.

JMHO.

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brantmacga said:
Inspector disagreed..... code is the code sort of thing.
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It says what it says.


Being attached to the house and meeting the definition of a bathroom I would have put one there just so I wouldn't have to come back and add it after I got rejected for it,
if I got rejected for it...
 
jap said:
Only difference is that without having a receptacle close to the sink where generally a mirror would be, and also where a hair dryer or curling iron or whatever may need to be used is that the person would have to use an extension cord to get from the receptacle on the opposite side of the room to where a receptacle should have been in the first place.......>
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That's the thing ..... they'll be working on old cars in here and washing grease off, not curling their hair.

Anyway, that was sort of my thinking is that where would you set an appliance down if it were plugged in? In the sink??

Remove the bedrooms on the opposite end of this building and it's a non-issue.



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brantmacga said:
That's the thing ..... they'll be working on old cars in here and washing grease off, not curling their hair.

Anyway, that was sort of my thinking is that where would you set an appliance down if it were plugged in? In the sink??

Remove the bedrooms on the opposite end of this building and it's a non-issue.



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I'm with you.
I brush my teeth and sometimes floss, neither of which requires an outlet next to the sink but I still have to put one in when required.


JAP>
 
jap said:
I'm with you.
I brush my teeth and sometimes floss, neither of which requires an outlet next to the sink but I still have to put one in when required.


JAP>
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Sure you would put one in if it is required. The question is whether or not it is required. Is a garage a dwelling unit? If the garage were detached would it be required?

I believe that most jurisdictions would require a receptacle in any bathroom that is associated with a dwelling
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Sure you would put one in if it is required. The question is whether or not it is required. Is a garage a dwelling unit? If the garage were detached would it be required?

I believe that most jurisdictions would require a receptacle in any bathroom that is associated with a dwelling
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I think what you posted in post #2 pretty well answers that question.

JAP>
 
I think a better argument could be made about one not being required in a "Detached" garage, but, as long as the 2 structures are physically attached to each other, I don't know where one would draw the line between the Dwelling and Non-Dwelling portion.


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jap said:
I think a better argument could be made about one not being required in a "Detached" garage, but, as long as the 2 structures are physically attached to each other, I don't know where one would draw the line between the Dwelling and Non-Dwelling portion.


JAP>
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Exactly it is not very clear. If the article stated

(D) Bathrooms. In dwelling units and associated structures, at least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed in bathrooms within 900 mm (3 ft)
of the outside edge of each basin. ....
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then there would be no issue---- 2020 proposal coming up....LOL
 
iwire said:
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and you know as soon as the wording got put in the way I initially stated someone is going to have a detached garage with no power and have a bathroom in it.... Best to cover it now--LOL Thanks for pointing it out-- seems silly to have that wording but better to get it all covered.
 
I agreer that the OP's post is pretty conclusive that there is a bathroom, even if just a half-bath, in the garage.
If there is nothing more than an isolated sink, that would not meet the code definition of a bathroom.

I have a "slop sink" in my attached garage. And there happens to be a receptacle next to it which I find useful (though not particularly because it is near the sink.) But I certainly do not consider it to be a bathroom under NEC. But if I placed a toilet anywhere in the same garage space, the receptacle would be required.
 
GoldDigger said:
I am still concerned that there is no evidence in the OP's post that there is a bathroom, even a half-bath, in the garage.
If there is nothing more than an isolated sink, I do not think that meets the code definition of a bathroom.

I have a "slop sink" in my attached garage. And there happens to be a receptacle next to it which I find useful (but not particularly because it is near the sink.) But I certainly do not consider it to be a bathroom under NEC.

If all it takes is a sink, then all kitchens would also be bathrooms. (The code does not refer to "rooms which are not kitchens and meet the following criteria....")
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OP said:

It will have a toilet and a sink
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That pic was not of the actual install.
 
jap said:
I'm with you.
I brush my teeth and sometimes floss, neither of which requires an outlet next to the sink but I still have to put one in when required.


JAP>
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You should be flossing every day.


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