Does the NEC apply?

[david]

The last table was in a school cafeteria kitchen area and the rec. where not GFCI Type or supplied by a GFCI breaker. The bond from the neutral was in place. my guess on the bond is the manufacture is bying these panels this way from their supplier and the installers are not trained to remove these bonds before shipping them out.

 

[ptonsparky]

From personal experience, UL stickers from a panelbuilder doesn't mean it will work. . Hopefully it does mean it is safe.

What a mess.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Just putting 2 and 2 together - you are an inspector in CA, Charlie claimed to be having a problem with an inspector in CA.....


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Well your math is a little off.

If it had been me Charlie would have said, "darn if he wasn't right and such a nice guy.":roll:

 

[norcal]

Now that this tread has run for a bit, what was the solution agreed by the AHJ & the OP? Inquiring minds want to know. :lol:

 

[iwire]

The last table was in a school cafeteria kitchen area and the rec. where not GFCI Type or supplied by a GFCI breaker. The bond from the neutral was in place. my guess on the bond is the manufacture is bying these panels this way from their supplier and the installers are not trained to remove these bonds before shipping them out.

These units are typically made to order, as far as the GFCI all that says is the person ordering the table did not tell the manufacturer all the specifics.

 

[david]

These units are typically made to order, as far as the GFCI all that says is the person ordering the table did not tell the manufacturer all the specifics.

I can agree with that. That also goes to the point of where does the inspection of the equipment end at?

If the neutral is bonded at inspection you have to assume that the table is not suitable to be supplied by a feeder.
If the REC. are lackiing GFCI protection than the table is not suitable for a commercial kitchen.

I can say that the only person who cared was the inspector, maybe everyone else took the attitude that it wasn't there problem or at least they did not want it to become there problem.

 

[charlie b]

Now that this tread has run for a bit, what was the solution agreed by the AHJ & the OP?

I took an image of the panel schedule that the manufacturer had provided, and placed that image on our drawing, adjacent to the project's other panel schedules. I then drew a box around the image, and put in large bold letters the message that the schedule was being shown for reference only, and that it had been created by the manufacturer. The revised drawing was then formally issued under by boss' California PE seal. (My application for a CA PE license is in process.)

 

[charlie b]

If the REC. are lackiing GFCI protection than the table is not suitable for a commercial kitchen.

I would agree. But I have no fact to offer, other than that the drawing does show several receptacle outlets being installed on the table. Neither the drawing nor the panel schedule indicates the receptacles as having GFCI protection.

 

[charlie b]

I would have recognized the "file number" to be bogus since it can't be validated on the UL Online Certifications Directory.

I looked at that web site, and I also did not find the file number. I did, however, get a hit when I searched for the manufacturer's name. I don't know what that means, other than that they must have had at least one of their products listed by UL at some point. Or perhaps is that even too much to infer? :?

 

[rbalex]

I looked at that web site, and I also did not find the file number. I did, however, get a hit when I searched for the manufacturer's name. I don't know what that means, other than that they must have had at least one of their products listed by UL at some point. Or perhaps is that even too much to infer?

It's certainly a reasonable inference. Several manufactures have both listed and unlisted products. Simply finding their name in the Online Certification Directory doesn't necessarily mean all their products are listed though.

We went through a similar discussion on certain types of seal fittings (starting at post #4). The manufacturer in question (definitely high quality in all aspects) has multiple listed forms, but the one in question was only implied to be NRTL certified.

I don't want to necessarily imply your manufacturer in question is fraudulent, but the drawing is misleading; ask them to supply the actual "E-number" or file-number.