They round them up then another crew just as bad or worse is right back the next day.
Drywall Nightmares
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They round them up then another crew just as bad or worse is right back the next day.
JohnJ0906
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3 things in life are certain
Death
Taxes
Electricians complaining about drywallers.....
Death
Taxes
Electricians complaining about drywallers.....
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
This is certainly not the way to get the builder to call you back. I generally complain like hell so the builder knows of the issue and I find them. I found 14 buried boxes and uc lights on one job and had no need for repairs.
The builders know you are on their side and generally will talk to the rockers. I also try and stop by before the sheetrock has the mudding so that I can check for my boxes.
Another good method is to mark the floor under the boxes, lights etc and check before the floor is installed.
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- Massachusetts
3 things in life are certain
Death
Taxes
Electricians complaining about drywallers.....
LOL
I was just thinking about this thread.
We have a bunch of electricians that consider themselves professionals and are complaining about the lack of professionalism of some drywallers yet the solution they have is to smash up someones building, someones home and someones work.
To me that is anything but professional.
steelersman
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- Lake Ridge, VA
I agree Bob, this is horrible and pathetic. It's a crying shame that people can't do their job right.LOL
I was just thinking about this thread.
We have a bunch of electricians that consider themselves professionals and are complaining about the lack of professionalism of some drywallers yet the solution they have is to smash up someones building, someones home and someones work.
To me that is anything but professional.
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- Massachusetts
Sometimes it is just because the person does not care.
Many times it is just a mistake, I don't want to shock anyone but I make mistakes while doing my job. I drilled into a water line just a short time ago and more recently I pulled the wrong wire out of an underground conduit adding a few hours to my day. Things happens. :smile:
steelersman
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What?!?! You make mistakes? Now I can post my highest shock voltage over on that thread, because this is the most I've ever been shocked by.
Yeah I've done that one before. I've drilled into the copper coil inside of a furnace before. That was in a house. There was this other time on a commercial job I drilled into the same type of coil except it was for a fan coil unit in the ceiling. It's embarassing when things like that happen, but oh well we're all human.:smile:
I alays mark the floor with a red or black lumber crayon. With large symbols. Even after the drywall and painting is done I usually can find the mark with little effort.
As for cut wires I make an extra efort to push the wires a far back in the box as possible. If anything is near the front I make sure it is the pigtails or the end of the wire so it can be replaced or cut off.
While both of these take extra effort is saves a lot of time at trim.
Gene
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Remember - Speed Kills and its not always you.
As for cut wires I make an extra efort to push the wires a far back in the box as possible. If anything is near the front I make sure it is the pigtails or the end of the wire so it can be replaced or cut off.
While both of these take extra effort is saves a lot of time at trim.
Gene
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Remember - Speed Kills and its not always you.
steelersman
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If it's in a house that I wired then it's not hard for me to find the covered box. You can usually slide your hand along the wall and feel where it bows out a bit, or you can just measure between the 2 boxes that you do have assuming that they are not covered also. But the point remains that if it is a lot of boxes covered up then the drywallers aren't doing their jobs well enough and I and my hammer have no sympathy for that. If it's a couple of boxes in the entire house then no problem, I'll find them and usually find them without making any holes that need to be repaired. Besides I don't cut out a hole to try to find a hidden box. I simply poke through the srywall with my offset screwdriver and if it doesn't hit the back of the inside of the box then I rotate it around and it can cover approximately a 6 or 7 inch radius from the point of entry. So with that the it would only be a hole the size of a pea to patch. That's fairly harmless.
The first 6 units were bad enough, so we tried different things to prevent te rest of the units it still did not work. So the G.C. went to finding the buried boxes the next 12 were a nightmare trying to remember everything of where. Even after marking the floor, i guess the drywallers have there money and ran. The G.C. said they are the cheapest around well now i can see why, it,s like they say you get what you pay for.
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- Massachusetts
Digital cameras take 'free' pictures, I generally take a lot of photos before the walls close, it can really help later.
brian john
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- Leesburg, VA
Sometimes it is just because the person does not care.
Many times it is just a mistake, I don't want to shock anyone but I make mistakes while doing my job. I drilled into a water line just a short time ago and more recently I pulled the wrong wire out of an underground conduit adding a few hours to my day. Things happens. :smile:
Bob I agree which is why I said discussions first, legal second, hammer 3rd. I was on a job where this was happening they were cutting our NM to get drywall from room to room. We tried everything and got nowhere, when we started ripping the drywall off to make repairs they perked up as the GC was back charging these guys. They were piece workers. SO their bosses let the back charge flow down hill to the installers.
ItsHot
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- A little piece of heaven!
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I think this comes down to the GC. If he is on top of things, it is his responsibility to resolve the problem. Currently he is in shock, because he is having to sell $480,000 homes for $340,000!! That is if he is selling one at all!
the General
I think this comes down to the GC. If he is on top of things, it is his responsibility to resolve the problem. Currently he is in shock, because he is having to sell $480,000 homes for $340,000!! That is if he is selling one at all!
jrannis
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- Fort Lauderdale/ Miami
I guess don't know much about this subject.
Seem like if you have the right depth mudring, a stiff leg on one side and the box is secured to the stud, it would be hard to bury very many of them. Maybe one or two, but a dozen??
I'm willing to find a few on a job, most of the time just an honest mistake.
If we are talking about a dozen in each unit, that would seem like we both had a workmanship problem.:roll:
Seem like if you have the right depth mudring, a stiff leg on one side and the box is secured to the stud, it would be hard to bury very many of them. Maybe one or two, but a dozen??
I'm willing to find a few on a job, most of the time just an honest mistake.
If we are talking about a dozen in each unit, that would seem like we both had a workmanship problem.:roll:
sparky 134
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- Joliet, IL
After we finish pulling wire I will approach the owner/GC and ask them to instruct the drywall crew to keep their rotozips out of the electrical boxes as we do charge for damaged conductors.
I know they like to stick their Rotzips into the box, slide along till they find the inside edge and then roll around the outside edge of the drywall ring but rotozips do not belong inside the j-box.
If they do bury a box I will point out the location as best I can and let them uncover it. I'm not too accurate with my hammersaw.
I know they like to stick their Rotzips into the box, slide along till they find the inside edge and then roll around the outside edge of the drywall ring but rotozips do not belong inside the j-box.
If they do bury a box I will point out the location as best I can and let them uncover it. I'm not too accurate with my hammersaw.
steelersman
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- Lake Ridge, VA
Most residential boxes are the plastic nail-ons. But that being said it still is installed or should be that it sticks out a half inch past the stud to allow for the drywall. That being said sometimes the stud is twisted and the box doesn't really stick out far enough, but even if it is good to go you'd be surprised at how many boxes manage to get covered up. That's why you can usually feel or even see the wall bow out a little bit from the box pushing it out.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Many recessed cans come with no drop down. I mean they are mounted flush to the floor joist. I just found 5 of them on a job. Fortunately my memory is halfway decent and there was attic to verify on some of them.
RJohnsonMasterElectrician
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- Right now ??, previously VT
I dont have a problem when they slip rotozip into box and find the edge. My prob. is when they have 3 inches of drill bit sticking out the end of rotozip when they only need 5/8 to 3/4". If you roll your wires in tight and only 2 wires a box theres plenty of room for drywaller to stick bit into box.
I use nothing but B122, the deepest plastic box you can buy.
I use nothing but B122, the deepest plastic box you can buy.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
What a loser! Lowering his prices. Hmmmph what a fool. :grin:
If he had any brains he would watch everyone else lower their prices and actually unload these homes while he sticks to his guns and shows them!
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- Massachusetts
Yes, his costs have not dropped, they have increased so of course he should actually raise his prices, I learned that here. If sales are poor raising prices is the way to go.
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