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celtic said:
We're working on that ;)
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When I was little I was told not to trust anyone who lived north of Camden.

Apparently you live north of Camden :D
 
Getting back on topic ...

Getting back on topic ...

I have licenses in 3 different states, and in one of those states, licenses in at least 8 counties. Note that I have taken 7 exams to obtain these licenses (passed `em all).

But when driving my work van from the office to each of these jurisdictions, I only need one driver's license, and they all recognize that as valid and legal.

Why is it that I can legally drive to any state I want, and they all recognize that license, but when it comes to doing electrical work, they each want me to qualify and test, and then pay for a separate license?

We need to change the laws so that electrical licenses are treated the same way as driver's licenses --- once you qualify and pay for it in your home state, it would be valid in all the others!
 
kbsparky said:
We need to change the laws so that electrical licenses are treated the same way as driver's licenses --- once you qualify and pay for it in your home state, it would be valid in all the others!
I agree in theory, but we'd also have to find a way to either enforce or over-rule individual localities' modification or discarding of the NEC. Are you well versed in the specific differences in code enforcement in each of your state and county jurisdictions?

Remember that local licensing departments (trade and business) are a significant part of municipalities' revenue. Many neighboring cities and counties require business licenses if you exceed a certain dollar level of business in their jurisdictions in a calendar year.
 
kbsparky said:
We need to change the laws so that electrical licenses are treated the same way as driver's licenses --- once you qualify and pay for it in your home state, it would be valid in all the others!

I couldn't disagree more. All that would get you is this...electrical contractors from states with lower rates migrating to states with higher rates. What if some state were to suddenly decide to Grand Father in about a half million people ?

I like things just the way they are. If I wish to move to another location then I'll pay the money and take their test. I like borders.
 
Just off the top of my head, I can name 10 cities where I have done electrical work in the last year. It would get a little expensive if I had to get a license in each one of them. We have state licensing here, so that one license (well, two -- master and contractor) will let me work in all those jurisdictions.
 
LarryFine said:
Remember that local licensing departments (trade and business) are a significant part of municipalities' revenue. Many neighboring cities and counties require business licenses if you exceed a certain dollar level of business in their jurisdictions in a calendar year.

North Myrtle Beach, SC. I have a SC State Master's card and a current SC State Electrical license. I wanted to do a $2,000 job in NMB and they said I had to have their "Masters" card. Since I had the State Master's card, I would not have to take their test, but it still cost me $250 to get their card.
 
Larry Im from SC and understand your pain. My wife is a nurse and it seems so easy for her to jump from state to state....she just shows her current and original license, pays a transfer fee and bam....ballgame.
We have a NATIONAL electric code....maybe someday we can have a national licensing system in place.
 
It all depends on where you are. In my state, "master electrician" is a state license, as is "journeyman electrician." A master electrician is usually one step beyond a journeyman and is generally the highest level of certification/licensing an electrician can attain.

I have a friend who lives in rural Wisconsin, and there is no electrical licensing there. Any clown who falls off a turnip truck could call himself a master electrician there.
 
RampyElectric said:
Larry Im from SC and understand your pain. My wife is a nurse and it seems so easy for her to jump from state to state....she just shows her current and original license, pays a transfer fee and bam....ballgame.
We have a NATIONAL electric code....maybe someday we can have a national licensing system in place.
It would be nice, but I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon. I suspect local authorities would not be interested in giving up their licensing revenue, and I bet the electricians in the many areas where there are more workers than work don't want to relax the laws to let newcomers swoop in and add competition to the labor market.
 
Gaffen99 said:
Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a licensed electrician and a Master electrician


In NJ...a lot!

NJ only has a few catergories of electrician:
- Apprentice
- Qualified Journeyman
- Licensed Electrical Contractor
I think that's it?

There is no such animal as "master" in NJ....

....but as you are thinking of heading south, we'll have to wait for an "actual" answer :D
 
On Decenber 18 2003 Wisconsin passed a law that all new homes built would require UDC ( Uniform Dwelling Code ) inspections .
Previous to that towns of 2500 or less chould choose to decline UDC enforcement now they have to be under UDC enforcement weather they like it or not.
As far a electricians license's go in Wisconsin you must have 5 years in the construction trade being a electrician to take the Journeymans state test and 7 years for the Master's . There is also a a electrical contractors license in which you must be or employ a master electrician in your business.

The state follows the NEC 2005 code along with ammendments from the state which are called comm. articles.

There are still some out there in rural communitys that still do electrical work with out any form of license but I don't think they are doing any new home construction and they sure are not doing commercial bids thats for sure, they are most likely doing remodels and old work type of stuff that they pick up in the local commuinity from friends and handyman types.

The noose is tightening in Wisconsin and thats ok with me , It used to be where you could where a side arm in a tavern here during deer gun season but that has changed also , but I imagine in some small rural areas they still do that also..........they have big penalties for that also when you get caught . For you hunters, you can still hunt deer with a .357 or larger caliber handgun and it must have a barrel length of at least 6" and you must not wear the handgun in any public buildings.
 
drg said:
On Decenber 18 2003 Wisconsin passed a law that all new homes built would require UDC ( Uniform Dwelling Code ) inspections .
Previous to that towns of 2500 or less chould choose to decline UDC enforcement now they have to be under UDC enforcement weather they like it or not.
My friend lives in the sticks. He's not in a town. He asked me to upgrade his service panel, and when we looked into the whole permit/inspection thing, we discovered that there's no such thing in his area. The only AHJ is the sheriff.
drg said:
As far a electricians license's go in Wisconsin you must have 5 years in the construction trade being a electrician to take the Journeymans state test and 7 years for the Master's . There is also a a electrical contractors license in which you must be or employ a master electrician in your business.
Not quite. Wisconsin doesn't have statewide licensing for electricians. They do have a state "credential," but it's not a license. Licensing is still entirely up to local governments. However, if you have a state credential, no local government can deny you their corresponding license by claiming you aren't qualified for it. You still have to pay for the local license, though. Some cities say the only way you can qualify for a local license is by having a state credential, while others issue licenses more liberally. I don't have a Wisconsin state credential, but I was issued a master license in one city after the chief inspector saw my Minnesota license. That city doesn't have an EC license.
 
jeff43222 said:
My friend lives in the sticks. He's not in a town. He asked me to upgrade his service panel, and when we looked into the whole permit/inspection thing, we discovered that there's no such thing in his area. The only AHJ is the sheriff.

Not quite. Wisconsin doesn't have statewide licensing for electricians. They do have a state "credential," but it's not a license. Licensing is still entirely up to local governments. However, if you have a state credential, no local government can deny you their corresponding license by claiming you aren't qualified for it. You still have to pay for the local license, though. Some cities say the only way you can qualify for a local license is by having a state credential, while others issue licenses more liberally. I don't have a Wisconsin state credential, but I was issued a master license in one city after the chief inspector saw my Minnesota license. That city doesn't have an EC license.

To upgrade a service panel is not the the same as doing new building construction , even in that rural area of your friends you will not be able to wire a new home without uniform building codes inspections enforced by the state, that includeds electrical, plumbing, HVAC there are no exceptions anymore on this matter.

Now as far as the state licenses go, its what I posted before , once you have a state journeymans card or master you don't need to apply for any license at any town in the state ........your journeymans or masters card supercedes all this local nonsense .

For example if I am working in LaCrosse I need to be state licensed , there are no local licensed issued ........now if I am working in lets say Sparta wis. and I believe they have a local license requirement as long as I have a state license they can't ask me to pay extra or take their 10 question test , as long as I have my state J-mans card they can't require anymore from me nor can they deny we to work in their community.

You have posted before that Wisconsin does not have state licenses and that anyone can just walk in and work here !!
A lot of what you say is half truths and personnel opinion .

To set the record straight you must be able to verifiy 5 years experience in the electrical construction trade with a minimum 1000 hours per year . I believe they will credit 2000 hours of this time from an approved school and related classes. Or serve a state indentured appenticeship program which you then don't have to take the state testing.
Also maintenance or some factory postion that does electrical work does not qualify one taking the state exam.

The journeymans test is 100 questions based on the NEC 2005 and Wisconsin comm. articles , you need 70% for a passing grade .

Upon passing you are then issued a state ID number and are registered as a certified Journeyman electrician with the state of wisconsin.

You have done your best in the past to down play the value of this state certification and mince words to have people believe this is not a license and there are no requirements here to work as a electrician but all you have to do is fall off the back of a turnip truck and you can open up shop , give it a break would ya.
 
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