Electrical tape inside a panel

[LarryFine]

Yes nice work, but respectfully, personally I prefer to leave at bit more wire in the panel than that. I see panels cut in like that all the time but if I want to rework something I hate having to splice. Or playing games when it was cut in like this and I'm doing a panel change and the wires aren't long enough. Oh well.

This was a new house, just a few years ago, so there won't be any upgrades any time soon.

 

[Little Bill]

I label the NM sheath during rough-in, then cut that section to re-use during trim.

I do the same, but I tend to write too large on the sheath during rough and sometimes I have to use a fresh piece of sheath and re-write on it.

 

[kwired]

I don't deal much with MWBC anymore but if you do any new wiring/new construction, you have to keep the neutral together with the hot due to the AFCI/GFCI breakers. What I do is cut a piece of sheathing about an inch long and slip both wires through it. You could do the same for MWBC if you want. I also use a piece of sheathing to identify the circuits. Slip it on the hot and write on the sheath what it is.

200.4(B) wouldn't require additional identification for MWBC contained in a single cable or raceway with no other circuits. Personal preference might be to tie them together within the panel though to make proper termination a little easier on GFCI/AFCI's, or even regular double pole breaker applications

 

[garbo]

That’s IF you can pass the neat and workmanlike requirement. That is Code but often not followed.

In my 50 years as an industrial sparky never had any problems using a quality tape to bundle smaller size conductors say #14 to #'s. Always used made in USA quality ty rabs to secure larger conductors. Never use garbage ty rabs made in lack of quality control cheating china. We ran out of th rabs and borrowed some from IT guys that were made in china ww grainger crap. Halve of them brook while tightening. Only good for securing trash bags.

 

[Little Bill]

200.4(B) wouldn't require additional identification for MWBC contained in a single cable or raceway with no other circuits. Personal preference might be to tie them together within the panel though to make proper termination a little easier on GFCI/AFCI's, or even regular double pole breaker applications

I realize that, I was just pointing out you could use the sheath on a MWBC run in conduit instead of tape or zip tie to hold the conductors together.

 

[norcal]

That’s IF you can pass the neat and workmanlike requirement. That is Code but often not followed.

How can someone enforce such a subjective requirement? Put 3 different inspectors in the same room & you will get 3 different outlooks.

 

[LarryFine]

"I may not be able to define 'workmanship,' but I know it when I see it."

 

[DBoone]

"I may not be able to define 'workmanship,' but I know it when I see it."

I see what you did there.

 

[LarryFine]

I see what you did there.

 

[kwired]

"I may not be able to define 'workmanship,' but I know it when I see it."

And it is more than just neat arrangement of conductors inside of a cabinet.

 

[Canton]

Like the mythical “can’t use no wire nut in a panel”.

Yes, you have to love the electrical urban myths, along with the mythical and mystical rules that appear every once in a while on an inspection.

Unicorns and pixie dust

 

[Flicker Index]

That’s IF you can pass the neat and workmanlike requirement. That is Code but often not followed.

Can you get women and other guys to agree on that consistently though? That part of the code has sooo much leeaway

 

[Joe.B]

How can someone enforce such a subjective requirement? Put 3 different inspectors in the same room & you will get 3 different outlooks.

And a contest involving urine.