brycenesbitt
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- United States
The old answer was to apply pressure through the democratic process.
The new answer is apparently that everyone gets do their own research: in other words laws do not exist.
EV's in Parking Garages
- Thread starter gadfly56
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The new answer is apparently that everyone gets do their own research: in other words laws do not exist.
jaggedben
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- Northern California
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- Solar and Energy Storage Installer
We should revive the old answer.
I was taking a boating safety coarse recently that was put on by local sheriffs department. During a convo about boat fires the instructor offered up that in order to extinguish a Lithium Ion battery fire that the fire department needs to pick up the whole vehicle and fully submerge in a tank of water in order to put out what is essentially a metal fire. If this is true, it would seems to be more involved than spraying foam on a liquid fuel type of fire, idk.
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- Wisconsin
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- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
Look at the link I attached in post #41, if you want to see an EV burning underwater.
gadfly56
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- New Jersey
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- Professional Engineer, Fire & Life Safety
I found one example from the Netherlands.
Why firefighters dropped a smoldering BMW i8 into a water tank - Autoblog
Safety first.
www.autoblog.com
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- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
The battery fire cannot actually be extinguished ... the only thing you can hope to do is cool the battery assembly enough so that additional cells do not enter thermal runaway. Putting the complete battery assembly underwater can provide better cooling than spraying water on the outside of the battery assembly.
The general recommendation is to just protect the exposures and permit the battery to fully consume itself. This is difficult where the vehicle is in a garage. There is some benefit of the thermal blankets to help confine the heat and protect exposures.
PaulMmn
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- Union, KY, USA
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- EIT - Engineer in Training, Lafayette College
Gasoline or Diesel engine?
PaulMmn
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- Union, KY, USA
- Occupation
- EIT - Engineer in Training, Lafayette College
Early electric streetcars used wood-sided coaches. Eventually, they switched to metal sided coaches. Because the power was >electricitly< the metal panels were embossed to look like wood paneling. Made the people feel safer.
petersonra
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- Northern illinois
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- engineer
it no longer works.
the answer used to be not to create so many laws few want to follow. now there are laws about everything and no one can possibly abide by all of them.
PaulMmn
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- Union, KY, USA
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- EIT - Engineer in Training, Lafayette College
Philadelphia had one earlier this year-- gasoline fuel truck under an overpass took out the bridge-- they had to do some fancy footwork to re-open I-95. See https://www.enr.com/articles/56671-...an-destroyed-by-fire-reopened-in-just-12-days
Joe.B
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- Myrtletown Ca
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- Building Inspector
Gasoline.
Whoa, thats crazy! I have been wondering about what a auto ferry would do if one of these caught on fire while sailing between ports. I live out in a group of islands so we frequently drive onto a ferry to go to mainland for costco and the like. Thinking if one of these EV's catches on fire mid ship they may have to push all cars out of the way to get EV off or maybe have a better way of fighting these fires. Doubt it though, I think they are just pretending the potential problem does not exist.
Birken Vogt
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- Grass Valley, Ca
Park all EV on a ferry near the edge
Car catches fire, push overboard, problem solved
Car catches fire, push overboard, problem solved
brycenesbitt
Senior Member
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- United States
Car Carrier Felicity Ace: ship sunk.
Car Carrier The Fremantle Highway: ship sunk.
What should they do: https://www.edarley.com/car-fire-blanket/
The Darley Car Fire Blanket
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- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
That can help a lot to protect exposures until the battery has consumed itself, but with a number of vehicles in very close proximity, there still may be enough heat transfer to impact adjacent vehicles. There have been cases of blankets being tossed off the vehicle when the accumulated gasses under the blanket ignite.