Floor box at landing

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acrwc10 said:
Thats when you say "everything that is on the plans does or will meet code." and then ask if the architect or designer has "errors and omissions" insurance.
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This is a large campus that includes a treatment center and a lot of site work including a pool and a couple gazebos, and 3 large generators. 20 floor boxes in the grand scheme of things is the least of my problems on this one.

The question was where does the room wall space start, and I am happy with the responses to that.

We work with the same EE's and GC's all the time and I will resolve this issue without throwing anyone under the bus.

I thank you all for your attention to this issue.
 
well let me ask you would you take it upon yourself to install 20 floor recps . even if your employer said not to ???
 
in this situation i would do exactly what my employer wanted. if it were any thing that would create a dangerous situation obvious i would not comply. but this is a silly little detail in a home that he will pay for either way let him make the decision. the orignal post stated that if he did have to put them in he was going to try and hide it from the office, is that a better solution.

now you answer my question,
what would you do
1) hide from your employer, and install the 20 recps.
or
2)run it by them and see what he wants to do and if he says not to install them do it any way because you feel it is need.
 
Personally, I would install them.
If they noticed in the air-conditioned office, I would tell them why they were installed and leave it at that.
 
thetacon said:
in this situation i would do exactly what my employer wanted. if it were any thing that would create a dangerous situation obvious i would not comply. but this is a silly little detail in a home that he will pay for either way let him make the decision. the orignal post stated that if he did have to put them in he was going to try and hide it from the office, is that a better solution.

now you answer my question,
what would you do
1) hide from your employer, and install the 20 recps.
or
2)run it by them and see what he wants to do and if he says not to install them do it any way because you feel it is need.
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1. You have not read many of my posts


2. Except for the time I was an apprentice, which then, I would not be involved with these decisions; I was hired for my knowledge and integrity, and I did not have my hand held by my employer.


Now, that is not to say I did not butt heads with my employer at times, I did. If it was the difference of styles and he wanted something different, there was never much of an argument on my side. There were times he did want some stuff done that was not code compliant, I would not do it, and we both lived very well butting heads... and worked together for a long time.

Note:
He was not a field type owner, we had more than 175 guys in the field.
So, I did not have to work with him side by side.
 
there is no need to be rude and condescending. I do not know who you are and that really has no bearing on the conversation. I am offering a different opinion than your own that does not make it wrong. perhaps you could learn to engage in a conversation rather that preaching from your soap box and it would be more productive for all
 
thetacon said:
there is no need to be rude and condescending. I do not know who you are and that really has no bearing on the conversation. I am offering a different opinion than your own that does not make it wrong. perhaps you could learn to engage in a conversation rather that preaching from your soap box and it would be more productive for all
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I was not being rude and condescending.

and yes, we are all allowed to present our opinions, whether one likes them or not.

Even though it is Sunday, I am not preaching, like you, I am stating my opinion.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
This is not the way to handle not complying with the NEC. If one does not know that he is not complying, that is one thing. But for a person to know and expect the inspector not to know, so one does not comply that is just outright very wrong!!!!
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There are violations and then there are violations. They are not all equal. Being an inspector I can see where you might have a slightly different view on this than we do Pierre. I realize I am speaking heresy here and that any violation of the Code is a grievous mortal sin that will surely be punished in the afterlife with a stint on an extra slow rotiserrie. Be that as it may I find it hard to look at recepticle placement in the same light as say OCPD's. Espsecialy with the case Chris has brought before us.:smile:
 
after reading the thread there is no definitive answer whether it is a violation. so i would leave it up to my boss.
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Pierre, I believe what we have here is a "yes" man or bosses boy. Someone who runs to the boss with questions all the time and answers, "yes sir, yes sir". Not to say that I didn't respect my former employers, but I usually had my mind made up before I called them about a problem. My crew foreman/PM usually calls me to inform me of a situation, to see if in his words "you see it like I see it". (Still developing a relationship, its going good.) Chris needs to have his mind made up before he informs his boss or the EC, "here's what was missed, here's what I'm going to do about it". Then the person over Chris can say yea or nay. Better put Chris needs all his ducks in a row, before he parades them about.
 
iaov said:
There are violations and then there are violations. They are not all equal. Being an inspector I can see where you might have a slightly different view on this than we do Pierre. I realize I am speaking heresy here and that any violation of the Code is a grievous mortal sin that will surely be punished in the afterlife with a stint on an extra slow rotiserrie. Be that as it may I find it hard to look at recepticle placement in the same light as say OCPD's. Espsecialy with the case Chris has brought before us.:smile:
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I will agree that I have learned what a difference there is for the way an EI looks at the NEC, and people other than EIs. This is not to say one is more correct than the other, but the two different views are based on the differences of how we are subjected to outside stimulus.
For me, the outside stimulus is BOs, insurance people, lawyers and the ECs.


That only occurs on Sundays...should have waited till morning to post this. ;):grin:




What if the lack of the receptacle placement led to the use of an extension cord, and as time passed, the cord failed and a fire occured???
 
okie you are talking out the side of your neck. If you had read the entire post you would see that my solution was to stub whips where there may be issues and leave it at that saying nothing to either the inspector or the owner.I disagreed with the OP when he said that he was considering doing the floor plug then hiding from the contractor. I also disagreed with the OP creating an issue where one may not have been by going to the inspector :why open the can of worms.

as far as the quote you quoted that was in response to an off topic question asked by pierre about who makes the final decisions as to how work is in stalled
 
Yes I read the entire thread. I read your post about the whips, you only came up with that after Pierre backed you into a corner. By getting the inspector involved you are not opening a can of worms. I have learned inspectors can be your best friend or your worst enemy (if you don't follow codes you will think they are an enemy). I would just as soon have them on my side. How many times will the boss show up on the job if Chris passes all his inspections? How many times will the boss show up on the job if Chris don't pass all his inspections? As a boss I can only imagine all of the headache (money) involved with trying to fish in floor recept.s after the fact, if the inspector misses them on the rough inspection but "catches" them on the final.
 
you did not read it very well i stated in my first post # 26 to leave whips in place to be used if needed. and there is nothing hard about cutting in a single gang box reaching you hand in and pulling out a wire. that is how most exterior recps and fixtures are done around here you leave the wire buried till trim out then cut in the box once the siders have finished and installed the beauty blocks. the same principle can be applied to a floor recp. It is not hiding it from the inspector it is merely leaving your self an out while at the same time not doing a lot of needless work.
 
My inspectors oponion

My inspectors oponion

We walked one of these today and my inspector said something that made a great deal of sense. He considers the landing as wide as the stairs and the areas outside of that are wall space covered by 210.52. Why didn't I think of that???

So its 20 floor boxes, and I appreciate all the concern and I will deal with my employer as I have for the past 5 years.

Thanks to all.
 
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