GFCI question

Notable that the he says, "All GFCI outlets" not GFCI protected outlets. If the definition of outlet were added, it would require you putting stickers on light fixtures and bathroom fans, the way he is enforcing it.
 
acrwc10 said:
Notable that the he says, "All GFCI outlets" not GFCI protected outlets. If the definition of outlet were added, it would require you putting stickers on light fixtures and bathroom fans, the way he is enforcing it.
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I had not considered this but you are correct
 
infinity said:
They should have provided you with a code reference. 210.63(A) makes no mention of the GFCI protection reset being at the device so unless this is a local code the NEC allows protection at the circuit breaker.
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I wired a residential elevator shaft that required GFCI protected service receptacles at the top and bottom of the shaft. So I used a GFCI breaker and wired standard receptacles in the shaft.

Elevator inspector came out and insisted on GFCI receptacles at each location instead of a single GFCI breaker in the panel.

I asked the inspector to site a code reference but the elevator installer shut me down and told me to just change it. The inspector was about 75 years old, could barely see or walk onto the job site. He had no business being an inspector, the elevator installer agreed with me on that at least. LOL.
 
VirutalElectrician said:
I wired a residential elevator shaft that required GFCI protected service receptacles at the top and bottom of the shaft. So I used a GFCI breaker and wired standard receptacles in the shaft.

Elevator inspector came out and insisted on GFCI receptacles at each location instead of a single GFCI breaker in the panel.

I asked the inspector to site a code reference but the elevator installer shut me down and told me to just change it. The inspector was about 75 years old, could barely see or walk onto the job site. He had no business being an inspector, the elevator installer agreed with me on that at least. LOL.
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The inspector was correct, see 620.85
 
No valid code references were provided. Call the inspector's boss. If the boss won't help, go up the chain. Inspector answers to building official, who answers ultimately to the director of whatever department building is under, and the director of that department answers to the city manager's office. The city manager's office answers to the elected body. The elected body answers mainly to the news media... I recommend getting your hands on an org chart of any jurisdiction you are in so you know who answers to whom.

I only recommend this when a valid code section is not provided. Going over an inspector's head on a valid code reference until you get a different answer from the director or chief of something-or-other who knows absolutely nothing about the code or science of the issue is sleazy and corrupt. Inspectors should be able to back up every correction they write. The role of their bosses is to make sure that is happening in the field, and then staying out of stuff they don't understand.
 
VirutalElectrician said:
I wired a residential elevator shaft that required GFCI protected service receptacles at the top and bottom of the shaft. So I used a GFCI breaker and wired standard receptacles in the shaft.

Elevator inspector came out and insisted on GFCI receptacles at each location instead of a single GFCI breaker in the panel.

I asked the inspector to site a code reference but the elevator installer shut me down and told me to just change it. The inspector was about 75 years old, could barely see or walk onto the job site. He had no business being an inspector, the elevator installer agreed with me on that at least. LOL.
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I would presume the thinking in an elevator shaft a tripping GFCI would introduce an additional hazard if needed to leave to go to a central panel location to return power. I know most of us use battery powered service lights now but part of the concern would be loss of lighting in the elevator shaft particularly when working at the top.
roger said:
The inspector was correct, see 620.85
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What code cycle you looking at Don't see 420.85? I do see the requirement for GFCI "receptacle" in the 2023 @ 620.6(A) TYPO Edit
 
rc/retired said:
Only occasionally?????? Thanks for your confidence in inspectors! 😀

Ron
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Sorry, forgot the sarcasm emoji. We do try, with over a 1000 pages and changes every three years sometimes have to take a second look, but also open to legitimate questions when presented with "what about this section". I tell the guys if you disagree give me a counter code reference.
Think I only had one that posed a code counterpoint, but was able to point him to a different one that fit the installation that said I was right.
Kinda why I like this forum, it forces me to look and sharpen my code view and the dialog of "what about this?".
 
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