.........I questioned the inspector and he said if it had water running to it it needed to be GFCI and didn’t reference any code section........
Yet another shirt-pocket code inspector. Demand a Code reference.
.........I questioned the inspector and he said if it had water running to it it needed to be GFCI and didn’t reference any code section........
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I questioned the inspector and he said if it had water running to it it needed to be GFCI and didn’t reference any code section.
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I know plug in drinking fountain/coolers require GFCI protection per 422.5(A)(2). So would a refrigerator with chilled water dispensing be a water cooler?Yet another shirt-pocket code inspector. Demand a Code reference.
IMO no.I know plug in drinking fountain/coolers require GFCI protection per 422.5(A)(2). So would a refrigerator with chilled water dispensing be a water cooler?
It's not to protect the refrigerator. It's to protect some other device that might be plugged in the receptacle and fall into the sink.
No, it did not remove "fixed barrier".Did it remove “fixed barrier” for the fridge?
I can see where that would screw up the under the sink receptacles
guess I’ll find out
I have an 8 hour CE class tomorrow...
Drinking fountains have integrated sinks, so possibly it could be considered the same as a kitchen or other sink. Dispensers on a refrigerator have an evaporator tray, instead of a drain, so it may be why it’s not considered a sink. Also, dispenser on most refrigerators are non-metallic, where most drinking fountains and sinks are metallic. Just throwing that out there.I know plug in drinking fountain/coolers require GFCI protection per 422.5(A)(2). So would a refrigerator with chilled water dispensing be a water cooler?
Code only uses the words "Drinking water cooler". I've seen these totally plastic and utilize bottled water and have integrated GFCI.Drinking fountains have integrated sinks, so possibly it could be considered the same as a kitchen or other sink. Dispensers on a refrigerator have an evaporator tray, instead of a drain, so it may be why it’s not considered a sink. Also, dispenser on most refrigerators are non-metallic, where most drinking fountains and sinks are metallic. Just throwing that out there.
For Gods sake, just make the entire house arc/gfi protected!! No more fancy wording, no more figuring out footage, no more figuring what room your standing in, no more accounting for inspectors that equate a refrigerators water line equivalent to a sink, etc.....
I don't want to get those troubleshooting calls.It will happen. Just wait.
But when it happens then I don't have anyone to argue or debate with. Where is the fun in that?
I wouldn't be that opposed to all GFCI single pole breakers, sort of like the afci requirements but without the nonsense. At least GFCI actually does somethingFor Gods sake, just make the entire house arc/gfi protected!! No more fancy wording, no more figuring out footage, no more figuring what room your standing in, no more accounting for inspectors that equate a refrigerators water line equivalent to a sink, etc.....
I'd rather see 30 mA GFP for everything and if you do implement any 4-6 mA trip settings for specific circumstances - only do so in the locations that used to be required in about 1987 NEC.I wouldn't be that opposed to all GFCI single pole breakers, sort of like the afci requirements but without the nonsense. At least GFCI actually does something
They should GFI all receptacles located next to windows or exterior doors
I don't want to get those troubleshooting calls.
Where did you hear that? Code mandated AFCI's around 20 years ago, as time went by mandated them in more places than they initially did.I got that call a couple weeks ago. It started out innocently enough- install a vanity light for a designer. When i finished, ho said "It's beautiful! While you're here..." after a little back and forth with Siemens, well... systematic procedure seems to be the only way to find the problem. I can't confirm but I've heard that some afci breaker mfrs have the means to simplify troubleshooting but canned it due to no demand. Then the code mandated afci and now they're looking at re introducing it. Personally, I'm still on the fence about afci. I like the theory of it, but then i also like the theory of a Mr Fusion being used to power time travel.
I hear this quite often and wonder where that myth began.
I suppose next we will have to GFCI/AFCI the toilet and bath tub