Grass Growth in Substations

[Fulthrotl]

Does grass growing in a substation present any hazard to worker safety? Does it change the way a substation needs to be designed ie the ground grid? I guess I'm looking for re-assurance. :angel:

well, it's gonna be a mess when it is soggy and you have to drive equipment in there....

but... you could do miniature golf... or a driving range.... with metal shafted clubs, of course.
i'm just looking at the entertainment value.....:rotflmao:

 

[iceworm]

Slovenia, but this I see all over the world from India to South America to the Islands. Like everywhere outside North America.

That interesting they don't subscribe to IEEE 80. Physics doesn't change much anywhere around the world

 

[iceworm]

This has me stumped beyond words. Every substation I has seen in North America has a gravel top surface, and thats all I know, only to be told grass is better...

So, who told you that?

 

[PaulMmn]

If the grass is over the 6" of well-packed gravel, sogginess during the rain shouldn't be an issue. And you can run a flock of sheep under the wires to keep it well-groomed.
...
That's not Astro-Turf, is it??

 

[mbrooke]

That interesting they don't subscribe to IEEE 80. Physics doesn't change much anywhere around the world

So why does IEEE require rock and their codes let them get away with it when the physics is obviously the same? How do they mitigate the shock risk?

 

[mbrooke]

FWIW, another non-technical factor.

'Progressive' political entities like Seattle with municipal power company do not do everything by technical rationale.
For instance, since the early 1970s 1% of substation cost Is required to be spent on artistic effort and making substations 'look good', '1% for the arts"

https://www.historylink.org/File/10645

You mean like this?

 

[jim dungar]

The picture in the OP shows signage which indicates this is not a substation in the US and therefore was not likely built using IEEE80 or RUS as a guideline.
Would it make a difference if there is 6 inches of gravel underneath the 1" of grass.

A lot of our open air substation are built the way 'grandpa' did, rather than looking for new methodology.

 

[iceworm]

So why does IEEE require rock and their codes let them get away with it when the physics is obviously the same? How do they mitigate the shock risk?

As to why the IEE required rock - Read Post 7

As to why other country code don't subscribe to IEEE 80 physics - no clue.

As to how do they mitigate shock risk - Ummm, ........ they don't?

 

[iceworm]

.... A lot of our open air substation are built the way 'grandpa' did, rather than looking for new methodology.

Yes, that's true

 

[iceworm]

You mean like this?

Is that paid art, or taggers?
Reason I ask, is there is a piece way down that looks like some of my kids work

 

[mbrooke]

As to why the IEE required rock - Read Post 7

As to why other country code don't subscribe to IEEE 80 physics - no clue.

As to how do they mitigate shock risk - Ummm, ........ they don't?

Post 7 is the axiom- then some other method must be in place to make up for the lack of rock or grass growing though the rock. Would you agree? Could a more elaborate ground grid make up for the grass?

 

[iceworm]

... Post 7 is the axiom- then some other method must be in place to make up for the lack of rock or grass growing though the rock. Would you agree? Could a more elaborate ground grid make up for the grass?

You have already asked this. Answers are still the same:
No
No

 

[mbrooke]

You have already asked this. Answers are still the same:
No
No

Then how do they get away with grass in the substation?

 

[gadfly56]

Then how do they get away with grass in the substation?

Ignorance? Plant manager wants it to "look nice"? Can't remember the last time I saw a prowl car from the "Substation Police" driving about...:roll:

 

[mbrooke]

Ignorance? Plant manager wants it to "look nice"? Can't remember the last time I saw a prowl car from the "Substation Police" driving about...:roll:

I can't picture half the world being ignorant or exposing their workers to dangerous conditions. Maybe one country, maybe one utility, but certainly not first world super powers like Germany as one example.

 

[mbrooke]

Ignorance? Plant manager wants it to "look nice"? Can't remember the last time I saw a prowl car from the "Substation Police" driving about...:roll:

Germany, Amprion, a 1st world utility, 360 degree view:


https://360.schnurstracks.de/amprion-umspannanlage-virtuelle-tour/


I can't see them putting workers in danger.

 

[iceworm]

Then how do they get away with grass in the substation?

That would be post 50.

 

[mbrooke]

That would be post 50.

So they are putting worker lives in danger just so the substation can look good on Satellites?

 

[GoldDigger]

Yes, and I hit “post reply” and nothing happens. I forget after awhile and hit it again I guess...
im on an iPad, maybe that’s the problem...

There should be a "Working" overlay somewhere on the page until it refreshes with the completed post. Until then the post button should not work. And the software should prevent exact duplicate posting. If the browser does not refresh properly you should only be able to post if you added to or changed the content.

 

[gadfly56]

There should be a "Working" overlay somewhere on the page until it refreshes with the completed post. Until then the post button should not work. And the software should prevent exact duplicate posting. If the browser does not refresh properly you should only be able to post if you added to or changed the content.

It has stopped now, but yesterday I was getting some kind of server error while trying to post. I'd hit post again and I'd get a "duplicate post" warning. In both cases, nothing seemed to happen. Then I'd reload the tab and the post would be there. Sometimes twice.:ashamed1: