HDMI cable behind wall?

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Just got nominated this morning to go get the "best" 20 piece of HDMI for a favour job we did today. Any guesses?

$249.99:cool:

No going thru the attic for me thank you. Shortest route possible.

Andy
 
andinator said:
Just got nominated this morning to go get the "best" 20 piece of HDMI for a favour job we did today. Any guesses?

$249.99:cool:

No going thru the attic for me thank you. Shortest route possible.

Andy


I would not be happy with that price, just use RG59...
 
stickboy1375 said:
Any A/V job I have seen they never installs HDMI cables, they just use bulk component cable and install the fittings at trim out..., which is fine, HDMI is over rated anyway, also, I always use the TV for video switching, which would require wires for each device, (dvd, satellite, cable box, etc...)
So by your example you'd run and terminate 9 coax cables instead of 3 HDMI? Even if I went that route I'd prefer factory terminations over those made in the field. I had one installation where there was horrible ghosting over just 6 feet of RG6. (one of the last jobs that company did before going tits up) I cut off the plugs and used the wire to pull in a $20 store-bought cable. Problem solved.

The deciding factor is and always shall be cost. You can get cheaper HDMI cables. It's digital, so it will either work or it won't. ("Sparklies") The only high-end use of coax is for SDI, which is a serial protocol like HDMI, though much more robust. Also, you can't run 1080p over component... Not for technical reasons, but because the powers that be don't want their HD goodness output through analog, mainly due to security / DRM issues.

One other thing... RCA connectors are the weakest link in the chain. They were designed for audio, and adapted for baseband video (~10MHz). 1920x1080x60 = 124.4Mhz. Your RG6 might be good for 3Ghz, but those RCA connectors on the end of it have bad frequency roll-off at ~100Mhz. Ever wonder why professional gear uses BNC? Bet those clowns pushing Monster never told you that...
 
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Rampage_Rick said:
So by your example you'd run and terminate 9 coax cables instead of 3 HDMI.

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Yep, I see it day in and out... Sure its great to go to best buy and bring home a tv and set it on a tv stand and keep everything 2 meters away, but if your remote locating your equipment, a store bought HDMI cable is not going to fly...
 
Rampage_Rick said:
The deciding factor is and always shall be cost. You can get cheaper HDMI cables. It's digital, so it will either work or it won't.

A friend of mine bought some cables for like 0.20? online .....I guess he got the ones that "work".

That raised an eyebrow for me...0.20? doesn't even cover the cost of the copper/ends. ...but they worked????
 
SF proper you can get busted for any cable that is not CL2/3 behind the finish. And you should elsewhere as well, but.... Nor will you be able to put PVC in the walls. (Local SF code prohibits use unless in concrete or below grade...) Nor would you be able to use smurf - same reason.

Normally what I do is use 1.5 -2" liquid tight flex, and strip the outer sheath off. Sounds hokey, but regular flex the curigations are too hard to get certain connectors through. Strip the jacket off and there is no beef about it being in the wall AND it is way easier to get through the framing! Trust me! It is much more flexible, and can make tighter radius bends. (Put the connectors on first - they hold the whole thing together... Or often I tape up the end to keep it from fraying.)

As for field termination - that is a NO! HDMI is fickle enough - it would eat way too much time, and I doubt you could easiely obtain the connectors, or get it to work right if you did.....

Distance past 15' the signal degrades, and unless you are paying a premium for the cable you risk it not sync'ing, or the equipment deciding what the max data will go through it.

The last one I did at 30' worked - but after two cables. The first being one that had modular ends that were connected after it being pulled - sounded neat, but worthless as it did not survive pulling it..... FYI this stuff is not very robust - bend it too much - forget it. And does not even do very well for long periods on those swing arm mounts everyone loves for those big wall mounted jobs.

My neighbor across the street works for a locally well known AV company that only does the big $$$ stuff. He says he will not even bother with distances over 15' due to the risk of signal loss, etc. And uses Baluns on every job over 15', as the cost of good cables is about 50% of the cost of baluns, (we are talking about people to whom money is no object...) and they start to equal the cost of good cables at ~30+'. At 50' they are equal to the cost of baluns, that still run the risk of not working....

http://www.avovercat5.com/products/hdmi.htm

There are also active signal boosted cables avilable....

Most often the audio quipment and the tuner/dvd will handle the audio portion, although sets of RG-6U can be run to sub's or powered speakers with F - RCA adaptors, or just plain ol' (also CL2/3) speaker cable to say a center speaker, or L/R in a TV cabinet. And if you're up to all of this pull some wire for IR eyes, and flashers too.

FYI - I watch TV on this very 17" monitor I am looking at now.... With the basic cable stations that came on my modem hook up.... 75% of which (that are in english) are PBS. :grin:
 
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LawnGuyLandSparky said:
I'm glad I don't do residential anymore. Seems they've found materials cheaper than pressboard, flakeboard, and particle board. Amazing what people are paying for homes where the #1 ingredient is glue, and any minor leak will spell disaster.

Dare I say it - I have to agree with this.... Having watched a rough job melt in the rainy season un-protected....
 
You know what the two arrogant "electricians" I work with would say after they talked down to me all day if I said you can get 1080P over two cat5s? I can't imagine anything less than their heads exploding!:cool: :rolleyes: :D

Edit to add... I'm the guy who got $250 for 20' HDMI, $60 for 16' component, $50 for 16' A/V cable.

Seemed like overkill to me....
 
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andinator said:
You know what the two arrogant "electricians" I work with would say after they talked down to me all day if I said you can get 1080P over two cat5s? I can't imagine anything less than their heads exploding!:cool: :rolleyes: :D

Arrogance and premidonna tendancies can be a trade entry requirement IMO. I'm just honest enoough to admit it - not that I can speak for everyone.....
 
Let's see... "You've only been doing commercial work for one year. All residential electricians are hack who don't have a clue. We don't care what the web site says, it is wrong." On code issues..."we don't care what the code says, we have been doing it this way for years and you aren't reading the code right. And no, don't pull the NEC out, we don't own one anyway, not necessary as we know it all."

Sound familiar?
 
andinator said:
Just got nominated this morning to go get the "best" 20 piece of HDMI for a favour job we did today. Any guesses?

$249.99:cool:

No going thru the attic for me thank you. Shortest route possible.

Andy
Take a look at www.monoprice.com. Their best version silver plated 22AWG conductor, gold contacts, is $52. "HDMI Silver-Plated Copper CL2 Rated (For In-Wall Installation) Cable (22AWG) - 25ft (Gold Plated)" They have much more less fancy.
 
andinator said:
Let's see... "You've only been doing commercial work for one year. All residential electricians are hack who don't have a clue. We don't care what the web site says, it is wrong." On code issues..."we don't care what the code says, we have been doing it this way for years and you aren't reading the code right. And no, don't pull the NEC out, we don't own one anyway, not necessary as we know it all."

Wow, is that a paraphrase or direct? I've worked with some guy's like that, but all of them had a code book.
Some even read it.:smile:

I do like it when I ask a question like "was this/that legal back then?" and they say "Well, if I remember right.....nevermind I'll check my '50 book and get back to you tommorow." Some see that as useless info, but some times knowing what was, helps in understanding what is.
 
"All residential electricians are hacks who don't have a clue" Is a direct quote from Friday. If my feelings could be hurt, they would be, 'cause I was a heck of a good resi 'trician. Still learning the commercial side though, and this site is a huge help.
 
andinator said:
Let's see... "You've only been doing commercial work for one year. All residential electricians are hack who don't have a clue. We don't care what the web site says, it is wrong." On code issues..."we don't care what the code says, we have been doing it this way for years and you aren't reading the code right. And no, don't pull the NEC out, we don't own one anyway, not necessary as we know it all."

Sound familiar?

Yes, it sounds familiar. Tell them they are freaking idiots. That's the most PC I can be at this point. Oh, and sorry for your work circumstances. You deserve better.
 
andinator said:
"All residential electricians are hacks who don't have a clue" Is a direct quote from Friday. If my feelings could be hurt, they would be, 'cause I was a heck of a good resi 'trician. Still learning the commercial side though, and this site is a huge help.

I've had the pleasure of working with a few arrogant *****.
I tend to return in kind, Regardless of my place on the ladder; I won't talk down to anyone, nor be talked down to.

Besides, how can they promote a man who can't stand by his decisions and experience? Pick your battles though, even the old timers are still learning. As for your code book, put it where they can read it with their heads up their .....


edit: got carried away with launguage
 
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