77401
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have you ever thought of leaving the wires stubbed out & using pop-in boxes after the baseboards are installed?
That's interesting. I've been doing this in CA for 34 years and have never heard of a minimum height (except for ADA requirements). We use floor receptacles when necessary to comply with spacing requirements so I guess the minimum height is "0" aff. I guess it could even be lower?marcb said:In California there are height limits based on ADA requirements but these only apply to commercial occupancies only. The minimum height requirement is 12" above aff.
Sure. I immediately thought of the single receptacle floor outlets that have the receptacle recessed below a nice threaded brass cover.bkludecke said:I guess it could even be lower?
drg said:Jim, are you saying that beyond using resonable methods to locate a buried box or 2 you would just take out you hammer and smash the wall up ?
While frustrating as this is, I hope you are just joking when you say this kind of stuff and don't really mean it.
Let's call it 3/4" BFF. We don't want Rattus to have to explain whether we can use negative numbers.al hildenbrand said:So, its, what? a minus ?" AFF?
Well said Jim.....Jim W in Tampa said:I carry a big hammer
Do the receptcales comply with 110.26McDowellb said:Well said Jim.....
marcb said:Do the receptcales comply with 110.26
If you have a copy of the CEC (California Electrical Code) see section 210.50(E) The center of 15-, 20-, 30- amp receptacles outlets required by section 210.52(A),(B), and (C) shall be installed no less than 12" above the floor or working platform.bkludecke said:That's interesting. I've been doing this in CA for 34 years and have never heard of a minimum height (except for ADA requirements). We use floor receptacles when necessary to comply with spacing requirements so I guess the minimum height is "0" aff. I guess it could even be lower?
Cheerio old chap!marcb said:If you have a copy of the CEC (California Electrical Code) see section 210.50(E) The center of 15-, 20-, 30- amp receptacles outlets required by section 210.52(A),(B), and (C) shall be installed no less than 12" above the floor or working platform.
What about the receptacle for the dishwasher???marcb said:If you have a copy of the CEC (California Electrical Code) see section 210.50(E) The center of 15-, 20-, 30- amp receptacles outlets required by section 210.52(A),(B), and (C) shall be installed no less than 12" above the floor or working platform.
Okay, I'll bite.McDowellb said:What about the receptacle for the dishwasher???
What about the dishwasher receptacle mounting height? What height is the requirement for this outlet. The physically challenged cannot access this.LarryFine said:Okay, I'll bite.
What about it?
marcb said:If you have a copy of the CEC (California Electrical Code) see section 210.50(E) The center of 15-, 20-, 30- amp receptacles outlets required by section 210.52(A),(B), and (C) shall be installed no less than 12" above the floor or working platform.
from Larry LeVoirI will check this on Monday. btw it's not ADA in CA, it's Title 24. Not that I'm bragging, but our disabled access regs preceded the National ADA __________________
drg said:Jim ,I did not really think you went around smashing in walls , but I understand the frustration .
Im usually not on jobs where we have to deal with drywall problems and the ones that I have been on buried boxes are far and few between .
We just locate them and cut the opening out, I don't think there is even a back charge for this because it may be only 1 or 2 and its usually not that hard to fix so emotions are not stired to any big degree and its looked at as a dumb mistake.
Other the hand I have heard stories about guys in residential that have a lot of their openings buried or the finisher plowing the boxes full or mud, sounds like nonsense is common is this part of the trade.
That sounds stupid and deliberate but still, if someone takes a hammer and starts beating holes in a wall they might want to reconsider that a customer is paying for this home or what ever structure your working on they would have every right to call the police and have you arrested for vandalism to their property !!!! You also may have someone flat out kick your ass if they catch you doing this .
Just think how you would react if you were spending a life savings to have something built and when you walk in you see some freaked out guy with a hammer is ruining your place ? Your going to be forced to react "but how" could get real ugly in the heat of the moment.
The best solution is just repair and include a back charge for the work it takes to get things in order , again I understand that a lot this is uncalled for and frustrating, but hitting the guys who do this in the pocket book will have a big impact too . Besides it will keep you out of trouble that you don't need or deserve in the first place.
77401 said:We find it easier to measure the bottom & top of boxes if they are all the same.
Close enough no one will tell the difference.
My first new house as an apprentice the switches were at 30". Designer said it was a more natural reach since your hands are at that height. I wonder if the owners of that house ever gets any exercise at all?
sandsnow said:I need to double check that 12" minimum rule you quoted. What I remember and what we enforce is this:
Commercial occupancies min. 15" AFF
Multi-Family res. requiring disabled access: 15" AFF
Single Family: No requirements
I will check this on Monday. btw it's not ADA in CA, it's Title 24. Not that I'm bragging, but our disabled access regs preceded the National ADA