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Hi Pierre.

I don't have the 05 nor have I read all the posts but from your OP, my answer is:

YES :D

But that's just me.
 
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Let me also add that I don't beleive it's a code violation to put a switch somewhere where it can be reached from within a tub or shower space. So why not just put the service panel in there too? :D
 
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Pierre you said
"410.4(D)Bathtub and Shower Areas.
... This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaries (lighting fixtures) located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations , or listed for wet locations where subject to shower spray.

What this tells me is that tub locations that do not have shower heads are damp locations."

Not at all , what it says is it does not matter if the location meets the definition of a damp location , if a luminaire is in that zone it will be a luminaire rated for a damp location regardless of the defined meaning of damp location and whether or not the actual location meets it.

410.4 is a restriction on the rating of luminaries in a measured zone. It does not define the space as being damp.
 
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Physis2 , over current devices , unless supplemental, are not allowed in bathrooms, they are allowed in damp locations however.
 
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Thanks Marc. :D

Edit: Error A. And with only two words yet.

[ October 24, 2005, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: Physis 2 ]
 
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OK, Pierre. I think I understand your question. I'll give it my best shot.
Originally posted by pierre: Does this mean I can install a switch within a tub enclosure (area)?
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No, YOU can't. But the manufacturer can.

If the homeowner (or yourself, or the GC) purchases a tub assembly (or a shower assembly) that was manufactured and listed with a switch, then you can install the assembly.
Originally posted by pierre: What this tells me is that tub locations that do not have shower heads are damp locations.
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I do not agree.

Neither of the two articles that you have quoted establishes an area of a bathroom as being "wet," and another area of a bathroom as being "damp." All that 410.4(B) does is to say what level of listing is needed for luminaires that are installed in certain areas of the bathroom.
Originally posted by pierre: Then ...tell me where does it specifically say that a switch cannot be installed in the TUB (without a shower head) zone?
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404.4 does. We have no definition of "wet area," as it pertains to a bathroom. So we are left to conclude that if the manufacturer did not put a switch within the tub (or shower) assembly, then no switch is allowed.
 
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Now this is what I like. Intelligent discussion of a topic. :D


This kind of discussion always helps me improve my reading skills - like when Bennie used to make me really have to think hard.
 
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410 is somewhat less than perfect. ;)

I don't have my book with me but I think those are different people than those who concocted 210.

If you want to make a safe bathroom I'm not sure the NEC has the best answers on it.

Just a thought. :roll:

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[ October 25, 2005, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: Physis 2 ]
 
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What?

I can't hear too good with these sun glasses on.

:eek:

I'll see you tomorrow George.
 
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Pierre, it seems to me someone got sick of arguing about whether a location was damp or not . Now it does not matter as far as luminaires are concerned they restricted dry rated luminaires from an entire zone .You still have to figure out if it is a wet location though.

410.4(D) defines the rating of luminaires within a measured space and phohibits others .

How do you feel about the prohibited fixtures as they relate to the rest of the code? Can I not hang a light low over a table ?
 
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I'm gonna vote for George in the next election. The guy's brilliant.

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[ October 25, 2005, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Physis 2 ]
 
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