Then they do not get a final inspection. Here they would need to meet with the electric board to have the original electrician removed and allow someone else to take over the job. This person would need to be willing to accept liability for all work done by the original electrician as they now become the electrician of record for this project. At the meeting, the original electrician would be asked why they are refusing to finish the job/request final inspection, at which time the story of the homeowner installed wiring (illegal in this jurisdiction) would come out. This would not bode well for the homeowner.
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(This is relaton to my "in general" from #20 )
The original EC effectively removed himself from the job by voiding the contract.
The point is, when dealing with "breach of contract", it must be determined what exactly was breached and what the remedy is.
Simply saying the conract is "void" doesn't solve any problem, but rather creates more issues to be addressed.
haskindm said:
The original EC effectively removed himself from the job by voiding the contract.
The point is, when dealing with "breach of contract", it must be determined what exactly was breached and what the remedy is.
Simply saying the conract is "void" doesn't solve any problem, but rather creates more issues to be addressed.
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What I gather from this thread is that way too many of you guys have no backbone and bend over pretty good for owners and contractors who think they are clever enough to get one over on you. And furthermore taken as a sample rate this probably is pretty much the norm throughout the residential wiring industry. I bet most "allowers" would not stand for the same thing on any industrial controls job, but they can't wait to assume the position for residential work. No wonder the majority of house wiring electrical contractors do not make much profit on there jobs. Too weak to price jobs high, and too weak to stand up to crooks. So sad
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I did have a HO try this on me once. Her boyfriend came in behind me and did some work. Fortunately I caught it before the sheetrock went up and repaired the wiring. I called the HO and said if her boyfriend touched another thing while I was there then she'd have to find another electrician. I had no problems after that.
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Dennis Alwon said:
I got a chainsaw in my workvan. You would be truly amazed how well it works reminding carpenturds turned into "general contractors" that we should all keep our mits off each others work. You mess with my work, I mess with yours.
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macmikeman said:What I gather from this thread is that way too many of you guys have no backbone and bend over pretty good for owners and contractors who think they are clever enough to get one over on you. And furthermore taken as a sample rate this probably is pretty much the norm throughout the residential wiring industry. I bet most "allowers" would not stand for the same thing on any industrial controls job, but they can't wait to assume the position for residential work. No wonder the majority of house wiring electrical contractors do not make much profit on there jobs. Too weak to price jobs high, and too weak to stand up to crooks. So sad
Ouch! But correct.
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celtic said:
No one has to sign a "new" contract. If they don't, don't do any more work. If the original contract signee decides not to pay for work covered in the existing, breeched, contract, sue him. :smile:
lpelectric said:
There is a HUGE difference between a "breached" and a "voided" contract.
Even if you were to sue the HO/GC claiming a "breach" ~ YOU would need to describe what exactly was breeched, how it effected you, and what your remedy is.
Like I said, it brings MORE issues to the table.
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How did the home owner breach the contract by adding outlets to wiring installed by the electrician? That's crazy talk. Arguably the contract is breached when the electrician fails to perform his end of the bargain.
It's *their* house to do as they please. They out foxed the electrician and saved money by doing their own electrical work.
I would proceed and trim out my work and if the HO wanted me to trim out their's as well, I'd charge a nominal fee.
Never become emotionally attached to wiring.
It's *their* house to do as they please. They out foxed the electrician and saved money by doing their own electrical work.
I would proceed and trim out my work and if the HO wanted me to trim out their's as well, I'd charge a nominal fee.
Never become emotionally attached to wiring.
It depends on the jurisdiction. It most jurisdictions, homeowners are NOT "allowed to do as they please" when it comes to electrical work. In this jurisdiction, if a homeowner wishes to do electrical work in their own home, they must first pass an examination showing some level of competency, and then must have the work inspected, just as the electrician would. The homeowner is not allowed to do additional work under the electrician's license, just as the homeowner could not hire another electrician to do work on a job covered by another electrician's inspection. The original electrician must release the job, or if good cause may be shown, it may be released by the electric board. If you lived in a condominium, would you like for each homeowner to be allowed to do electrical work in "their home"? I wouldn't. If my neighbors home burns down due to his/her ignorance, mine does too.
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How does the inspector tell whether the EC or the HO did the wiring? If the EC is on the line for any violations, then they should be doing the work. Unless there's an agreement in place that the HO may do some work and the EC will 'pre-inspect' (and remove/correct as needed), the HO should stay out of the EC's work area.
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Fire Alarm said:
Where did you get such a crazy idea? If I have a permit on a job the only people allowed to work under that permit are company employees. This is all the insurance company will allow. This is all the AHJ will allow. This is all I will allow.
If a homeowner wishes to do work before I get there or after I leave then it's their business.
The homeowner didn't out fox anyone. All he did was work not covered under required permit. I'll rat that sucker out in a minute. The AHJ has no choice but to take action once I put the complaint in writing. If they decide to let it go then they assume responsibility ( not going to happen ). They will make the homeowner permit his work and two permits for electrical are not allowed on one job for the same work ( at least not in this area ).
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I'm going to insert a comment as a non-electrician homeowner who does his own electrical work. If I decide to add a receptacle in my garage tonight, I'm going to do it myself and no one will know. I don't know what the law is around here and don't care enough to find out. That's just how it is because, let's face it, you guys are expensive. :grin:
On the other hand, if I were paying to have a home constructed I would keep my hands to myself and let you qualified people do the work. If I wanted to change something I would go through the proper channels and pay to have it changed. I guess what I'm saying is that, to me, new construction is one thing while an existing house is something else.
On the other hand, if I were paying to have a home constructed I would keep my hands to myself and let you qualified people do the work. If I wanted to change something I would go through the proper channels and pay to have it changed. I guess what I'm saying is that, to me, new construction is one thing while an existing house is something else.
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celtic said:
I didn't say it made sense.
If its coming up new I would be more worried about it being done right. I bought the house I'm living in now about a year ago. Whoever wire it up used single pole switches where they needed 3 ways, and half of the receptacles don't work. I guess I just figure I'm not going to make anything worse if I modify what is already there.
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celtic said:
I think you mean spontaneous combustion....:grin:
Dennis Alwon said:
It's a PC term I coined in the late 90's while home shopping....a seller or REA would be appalled if I said that while in their presence ...spontaneous construction just sounds happier :grin:.
I refused to pay a premium for someone else's spontaneous construction knowing I would have to rip it out and redo it.
drbond24 said:
The only difference it is much harder to catch an unqualified, unlicensed person doing illegal (depending on the jurisdiction), unpermitted, and uninspected work in an existing building, than a new one with a record of who installed what and inspectors coming in and out.
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growler said:
Here in Los Angeles, which is basically the pinnacle of civilization, they sell you a permit and don't care who does the work. All a permit is, is a prepaid reservation for a visit from a City Inspector.
This would not be a big deal to me.
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