Hot Inspectors

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Originally posted by augie47:
Larry, sorry for the wording, no pun intended, I saw it but didn't change.
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Catching (and making) puns is in my job description.
95% of our jobs, the contractor has power back-fed to the panel(or meter socket) from the jon temporary.
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This is permissable? It seems to me that powering an uninspected panel via an extension cord is tantamount to powering it from the utility.
If generator is used, its alligator clips to the meter socket by the inspector.
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There are no "not qualified to make electrical connections" issues with this?

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I am curcious about these things.
 
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Originally posted by triphase:
Note, not trying to be difficult here just trying to make a point. Don't You agree?
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Yes, I agree that you're not trying to be difficult here, and just trying to make a point.
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I wire it would be my pleasure to meet you. A quick summary of a final inspection that I do is as follows. Test all receptacles for power polarity and bonding.

If a receptacle outlet is not working doesn't that violate the 6ft. rule ?
Make sure that there are 2 small appliance branch circuits provided, and all required receptacles outlets to be gfci protected
trip under test. After testing all receptacle outlets for power and polarity in bedrooms I trip the afci breaker with my tester then be sure that all lighting and receptacle outlets are no longer energized. I check to be sure that any washer receptacle in a basement or in a wash room closer than 6ft. from a wet sink is gfci protected. I also check ac condensing units to be sure that the max fuse or breaker size it not exceeded.


I will not go into service inspection because that was done before the final and the power to the house is already energized
Other issues include bonding of artesian well casing required lighting and much more. a final inspection usually takes me an hr. or more.
The home owner deserves a through inspection and the inspector that does not do that IMO is not providing them with that, is doing them wrong.
Just my opinion thank you all romeo.
 
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I have,3,400 sq ft.home back fed for a walk through and final called AHJ comes in during a major thunderstorm all lights in home lit like a christmas tree he opens panel and grabs buss bar checking for contamination .Think that wasn`t a HOT INSPECTOR.True story not trying to make fun of this situation but come on the entire home was lit up........
 
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Originally posted by peter d:
I have never seen a hot inspector in my life. :D
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Every time I see this topic in the list I think of a calendar with airbrushed cheesecake and beefcake photo's of "inspectors" with hardhats, clipboards, and strategically placed loose or tight clothing.
I hope that's G-rated enough.
 
Re: Hot Inspectors

Originally posted by romeo:
. . . After testing all receptacle outlets for power and polarity in bedrooms I trip the afci breaker with my tester then be sure that all lighting and receptacle outlets are no longer energized. . . .
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What kind of tester are you using on the AFCI breakers?

Mike
 
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Mike in response to your question, I use a Ideal #61-155 GFCI tester. IT cost about $200.00

romeo
 
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Originally posted by romeo:
Mike in response to your question, I use a Ideal #61-155 GFCI tester. IT cost about $200.00

romeo
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Thanks Romeo.

It appears that it has been replaced by the 61-165. Since there has been a lot of controversy about the effectiveness of these testers, I'm curious about your real world experiences. How often does it fail to trip the AFCI when the AFCI tests good using the breaker's test button?

[ January 13, 2006, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Mike03a3 ]
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
I have,3,400 sq ft.home back fed for a walk through and final called AHJ comes in during a major thunderstorm all lights in home lit like a christmas tree he opens panel and grabs buss bar checking for contamination .Think that wasn`t a HOT INSPECTOR.True story not trying to make fun of this situation but come on the entire home was lit up........
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Sort of makes my point when I responded to:
Originally posted by LarryFine:
Originally posted by augie47:
95% of our jobs, the contractor has power back-fed to the panel(or meter socket) from the jon temporary.
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This is permissable? It seems to me that powering an uninspected panel via an extension cord is tantamount to powering it from the utility.[/QB]
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Yes contamination,over spray drywall compound etc.Why would someone grab the buss bars is beyond me but it happened.As far as the utility question goes it`s metered through the t pole just used for a walk through.
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
Yes contamination,over spray drywall compound etc.Why would someone grab the buss bars is beyond me but it happened.As far as the utility question goes it`s metered through the t pole just used for a walk through.
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That's the point, Allen.

You can SEE any of those things. Why would anyone grab the busbar to 'look' for 'contamination'?? (think, cuckoo,cuckoo)

Did this guy sue and get a nice settlement??? :D
 
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He opened the panels and reached in and physically grabed the buss bars.Needless to say he got knocked for the perverbial loop.Why is beyond me but it happened.That day there was a severe thunderstorm that covered Tamp and the sky was black as can be.The house was lit up like a christmas tree 4 4 ft florescent fixtures on ib the garage where the panels are can lights on all over coach lights on.Cuckoo well dumb is a better term.
To top it off he blew up a dryer.I got a call from office that the inspector had been shocked and to go there to see what was up.There was an 8/4 so cord from the t pole and plugged into the dryer.OK a male cord cap shouldn`t be energized .as I was walking in he pulled up and walked in screaming and pulled the cord cap and dropped the hot cord cap on the top of the dryer and boom good thing the cord was connected to a 2 pole 50 and not the main lugs in the tpole.
Were we wrong in hind sight yes there should have been supervision on the job,was the inspector dumb well you decide that obvious fact.
 
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"Originally posted by jimwalker:
My building could be 100 % to code but never has to have voltage applied.
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Okay, then show me that the GFCI- and AFCI-protected outlets are indeed so protected, and NEC-compliant. "
Larry, that's not my job.It's yours to inspect not mine to do it for you.But i would be very happy to have power turned on before the final.It would make both of our jobs go better.
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
"Originally posted by jimwalker:
My building could be 100 % to code but never has to have voltage applied.
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Okay, then show me that the GFCI- and AFCI-protected outlets are indeed so protected, and NEC-compliant. "
Larry, that's not my job.It's yours to inspect not mine to do it for you.But i would be very happy to have power turned on before the final.It would make both of our jobs go better.
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Jim, are you asking or arguing with yourself? :eek:

Roger
 
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It appears that it has been replaced by the 61-165. Since there has been a lot of controversy about the effectiveness of these testers, I'm curious about your real world experiences. How often does it fail to trip the AFCI when the AFCI tests good using the breaker's test button?
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Mike, I don't know how far I'm behind on models, but I use an Ideal 61-056. Its seems to be about 80% accurate compared to the breakers. (About 80% of the time, it will trip the AFCI, of the 20% it doesn't, the test button on the breaker does on about half...the balance won't trip by Ideal tester or self-test)
 
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It would be time consuming, but you could verify that all the conductors were run to the right place w/out power. The only thing you could not check was if the GFCI or AFCI device was defective.
 
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