Hot tub disconnect

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RUWired said:
MD, I was asking of the hard wired requirement not needing protection.
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http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_stumped_code_28/

Q. Is GFCI protection required for a pool pump motor circuit?


A. GFCI protection is not required for hardwired circuits that supply pool pump motors. However, receptacles rated 15A or 20A, single phase, that supply cord-connected pool pump motors must be GFCI protected [680.22(A)(5)].

Note: The outlet that supplies a self-contained indoor spa or hot tub, a packaged spa or hot tub equipment assembly, or a field-assembled spa or hot tub must be GFCI protected [680.44]. Because this rule applies to all outlets and not just receptacle outlets, the wiring for a hardwired self-contained indoor spa or hot tub, a packaged spa, or hot tub equipment assembly would require GFCI protection.
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I can't find where it is required if it is hardwired.
 
russ said:
You don't need one for a single family dwelling 680.41
celtic said:
The commentary following 680.41 supports russ' comments:
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RUWired said:
Celtic, did you read the last sentenance of that note.


This requirement does not apply to one-family dwellings.
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Obviously I did...

....why my friend put a disco - I dunno?
He told me that was what the inspecor wanted....along with his HO's permit:roll:
 
celtic said:
Obviously I did...

....why my friend put a disco - I dunno?
He told me that was what the inspecor wanted....along with his HO's permit:roll:
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did he have to put in a disconnect or an emergency shut off switch.?
 
celtic said:
....why my friend put a disco - I dunno?
He told me that was what the inspecor wanted....along with his HO's permit:roll:
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Celtic-- I believe you need a disco at the hot tub but not an emergency switch if it is a SFD
 
stickboy1375 said:
You only need a disconnect for residential...
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We have 2 issues here one is the disco in sight of the motor and it is needed for SFD as well as commercial.

The Emergency cutoff must be accessible to the users of the tub in commercial application not SFD
 
RUWired said:
680.44 requires hot tubs..
Except as otherwise provided in this section, the outlet(s) that supplies a self-contained spa or hot tub, a packaged spa or hot tub equipment assembly, or a field-assembled spa or hot tub shall be protected by a ground-fault circuit interrupter.
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If the hot tub is indoors it would need to be GFcI protected regadless ,...If it is outside 680.44 does not apply.

680.12 a maintenance disconnecting means is required.
 
celtic said:
A disco ....painted red (it's kind of orangy now...LOL).
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Painting it red sounds like a personal preference.Maybe the inspector was trying to cover both requirements although only one needed.
 
M. D. said:
If the hot tub is indoors it would need to be GFcI protected regadless ,...If it is outside 680.44 does not apply.
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True but it does need GFCI outdoors if it is cord and plug -- art. 680(A)(2)
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Dennis Alwon said:
M. D. said:
If the hot tub is indoors it would need to be GFcI protected regadless ,...If it is outside 680.44 does not apply.
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True but it does need GFCI outdoors if it is cord and plug -- art. 680(A)(2)
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Agreed ,..and I never said otherwise.
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M. D. said:
If the hot tub is indoors it would need to be GFcI protected regadless ,...If it is outside 680.44 does not apply.

680.12 a maintenance disconnecting means is required.
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MD, your mixing gfci protection for hot tubs and disconnecting means for the equipment.680.44 a,b,c give the what ifs for the protection and 680.12 is for the disc.
 
RUWired said:
MD, your mixing gfci protection for hot tubs and disconnecting means for the equipment.680.44 a,b,c give the what ifs for the protection and 680.12 is for the disc.
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I don't understand this:-?
 
RUWired said:
680.44 says that you need gfi protection unless otherwise noted.There are not any other articles that otherwise state you don't need.
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If the hot tub is indoors 680.44 applies ,..so yes GFCI plug and hard wired both .

680.44 does not apply to hot tubs installed outdoors.
 
RUWired said:
680.44 says that you need gfi protection unless otherwise noted.There are not any other articles that otherwise state you don't need.
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Art. 680.44 states what you said in your first sentence but then gives the otherwise provided art. in (A), (B), (C)
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Art. 680.44 states what you said in your first sentence but then gives the otherwise provided art. in (A), (B), (C)
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i see that. The op says on a deck.I would presume its resi.
 
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