Hot tub disconnects
- Thread starter RayH
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2023
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Hot tub disconnects
Yes.
680.42 changes some things, but then kicks you back to 680.25. So both of them need to be observed.
What are you trying to do?
Yes.
680.42 changes some things, but then kicks you back to 680.25. So both of them need to be observed.
What are you trying to do?
Re: Hot tub disconnects
I am just trying to get a consensus on the varyingly different opinions on wiring methods from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I agree with 680.25 requiring an approved raceway for feeders to sub-panels. I just wanted to know if some considered it a sub panel or disconnect thereby requiring the wiring method to be either raceway or as in 680.42(c)...NM-B respectively. Also whether the sub-panel serves just the hot tub or the tub and the convienence receptacle.
I am just trying to get a consensus on the varyingly different opinions on wiring methods from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I agree with 680.25 requiring an approved raceway for feeders to sub-panels. I just wanted to know if some considered it a sub panel or disconnect thereby requiring the wiring method to be either raceway or as in 680.42(c)...NM-B respectively. Also whether the sub-panel serves just the hot tub or the tub and the convienence receptacle.
pierre
Senior Member
- Location
- Westchester County, New York
Re: Hot tub disconnects
I am not sure how .42 kicks back to .25, but I would agree that for dwellings, .42 is permitted in some jurisdictions, allowing NM or AC as a permitted wiring method for the panel/disco feeder.
I am not sure how .42 kicks back to .25, but I would agree that for dwellings, .42 is permitted in some jurisdictions, allowing NM or AC as a permitted wiring method for the panel/disco feeder.
mdshunk
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- Location
- Right here.
Re: Hot tub disconnects
If that hot tub has underwater lights, that sorely limits your wiring options to that hot tub disconnect/subpanel.
If that hot tub has underwater lights, that sorely limits your wiring options to that hot tub disconnect/subpanel.
speedypetey
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- Hudson Valley, NY
Re: Hot tub disconnects
Marc, I think you know all to well my opinion with regard to lights in package spas and their feeds.
I have the strong opinion that these factory installed low-voltage lights are not what is being referred to in 680.23. None of the descriptions fit the enclosures and parts of a factory built spa.
If you are wiring a field built hot tub, with all external components then yes, it gets wired just like a pool.
Marc, I think you know all to well my opinion with regard to lights in package spas and their feeds.
I have the strong opinion that these factory installed low-voltage lights are not what is being referred to in 680.23. None of the descriptions fit the enclosures and parts of a factory built spa.
If you are wiring a field built hot tub, with all external components then yes, it gets wired just like a pool.
ty
Senior Member
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- 3rd Rock from the Sun
Re: Hot tub disconnects
Good question. I think that's why Ryan proposed that all of 680 needs a re-write in this thread.
Why don't we float one of those tubs down the Delaware while reading through 680.
We might not know anything more when we reach the Atlantic, but it would make for an interesting trip.
Good question. I think that's why Ryan proposed that all of 680 needs a re-write in this thread.
Why don't we float one of those tubs down the Delaware while reading through 680.
We might not know anything more when we reach the Atlantic, but it would make for an interesting trip.
- Location
- Windsor, CO NEC: 2023
- Occupation
- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Hot tub disconnects
It if were not a one-family dwelling unit that you were working with, then you wouldn't be able to use (C) and you'd have to fall back on Part II entirely, for what (C) would have changed for you.
If you are in line with the stipulations of 680.42(C), and are working with a dwelling unit, then .42(C) has modified Part II; so you abide by .42(C).
I hope they fixed the typo in 2005, and included (C) in the mix. At any rate, it falls under the main section of 680.42, so all outdoor installations of hot tubs fall under this more specific section, if the descriptions in this section match the conditions in the field.
It if were not a one-family dwelling unit that you were working with, then you wouldn't be able to use (C) and you'd have to fall back on Part II entirely, for what (C) would have changed for you.
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