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- Journeyman Electrician
Sounds like you have some serious issues which could be dangerous for a hot tub. Can you provide some photo's of the panel, hot tub circuit, ETC.?
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Amps
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Are you referring to a "Wiggy" as they were called way back when? I have seen electric utility linemen use two 60 watt incandescent bulbs in rubber sockets and test leads.
Dsg319
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Yep.
ptonsparky
Tom
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We used the pigtailed lamps way back when. That's where they belong, way back when.
Eddie702
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I don't understand this:
"i Installed 240v to a hot tub yesterday, with a disconnect using a single pole switch using the ground and the neutral to the switch"
Why have a sp switch on a 240 volt hot tub?
"i Installed 240v to a hot tub yesterday, with a disconnect using a single pole switch using the ground and the neutral to the switch"
Why have a sp switch on a 240 volt hot tub?
ptonsparky
Tom
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He is deliberately attempting to force a neutral to EG fault. The GFCI should trip. It failed to do do.
Relying on that as a disconnecting means is beyond belief.
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Why is that beyond belief? We’ve done in hotels with a push button emergency stop switch, it trips the gfi and shuts the whole system down!
It looks better than a 50amp disconnect! But it seems to me I’m going to have to put one in anyway and fix the ground in their house
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Amps
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- Electrical, Security, Networks and Everything Else.
Doesn't seem like a switch is listed for that use. Perhaps a push button in the commercial world, but not in residential. What is the wiring like? A 50 amp circuit with something like #12 taps off it to a switch? How is that being done?His is using the switch to create a neutral to ground short so that the gfci trips.
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
The whole hookup is bizzare IMO.
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- New Jersey
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And scary. Unless it was someone I disliked I wouldn't let a human being anywhere near this mess until it's fixed.
I can’t believe you never heard of this ? I’m asking about the ground I’m not giving a tutorial of how I did the job , I’m going back Monday to redo a few things! But the ground is in question here not the switch!
No he did not have a permit but I told him he should have one and it will be inspected I’m going to bond the main panel and put a disconnect in I guess
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
I understand you are asking about the ground but when we see violations we bring them out because there are many members who read this forum that can be misled by the install if we don't bring it out in the open.
Amps
Electrical Contractor
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Am I missing something? What exactly does the bond have to do with no ground at the tub? The equipment ground in the 50amp circuit should be connected to the neutral bar in the main panel. The panel bonding has nothing to do with the equipment ground at the tub. If you were to remove the green bonding screw on a working main panel, it would not change any of the grounds of the circuits leaving the panel. The metal box (panel) would not be bonded, and floating. The circuit's equipment grounds would still function.
Understood and that’s why I’m on here looking for the best fix
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