How to price supervision task?

[jjhoward]

I will be working with an out of state contractor that is replacing ~40 AC/heater units in a local hotel.
Their crew does this in PA, DE, MD but here in NJ they need a licensed EC.
The plan is I pull the permit and check their work as they proceed.
It may take them about 5 weeks to get all 40 units swapped out.
The town will do their inspection when all have been installed.

Any comments on how to charge this?
I can guess how many trips to the site?
But, if these guys need to rework anything, then there will be more visits.
Obviously, I will be going to the municipal building for the permit.
But going to the site, should I charge for a day, half day.
Your thoughts please?.


THank you

 

[jrannis]

Here in Florida, if you pull the permit you have to do the work. It would not be proper the have the type of arrangement you are looking into.

If its OK in NJ, charge $50 per unit to inspect them

 

[masterinbama]

I did the same thing here a few years back. Didn't understand why the electrical had to be pulled because the units just plugged in. I think I charged $40 per unit and my standard service call fee for the final inspect.

 

[petersonra]

Here in Florida, if you pull the permit you have to do the work. It would not be proper the have the type of arrangement you are looking into.

If its OK in NJ, charge $50 per unit to inspect them

how is this any different than an EC bringing in some guys from the hall for a few weeks to do a large job?

 

[growler]

how is this any different than an EC bringing in some guys from the hall for a few weeks to do a large job?

They are company employees even if temporary.

 

[growler]

Didn't understand why the electrical had to be pulled because the units just plugged in.

They probably would like for the EC to inspect the condition of the wiring and receptacle. Make sure the breaker is the correct size and marked.

Or maybe they just want to have someone to hold responsible when the place burns down.

I have never seen a motel that was safe after those maintenance guys work on the wiring for awhile. Half the grounds will be missing.

I would check and mark everything and do the work myself.

 

[charlietuna]

I would have one of my foreman work with them first and foremost ! Then I would figure the permit fee, cost of applying and time for inspections. Figure that total cost and add your normal percentage to the job and a letter from the out of town contractor stating he would be responsible to you for any call backs.

 

[480sparky]

Here in Florida, if you pull the permit you have to do the work. It would not be proper the have the type of arrangement you are looking into....

In addition to the 'hall' question, how does that differ when I pull a permit to do a job, then subcontract part of the job to someone else? Those people are the employees of whatever company I subcontract to, not mine.

 

[macmikeman]

I would not "charge by the hour" for supervision for something like this if I ever was to rent out. I would rather consider it something like the bird of good fortune has flown in the window, and needs to be exploited for all you can get out of it. They need you cause they ain't qualified to work in your town, bottom line. Charge Large

 

[masterinbama]

I will have to clarify that the one I did was not for some fly by night contractor. It was for a large mechanical contractor I do a lot of work for.

 

[SmithBuilt]

The difference here in NC is the contract, supervision and money must all be by the EC who gets the permit. I think subs are ok to use as long as they work for the EC who is on the contract.

 

[satcom]

The difference here in NC is the contract, supervision and money must all be by the EC who gets the permit. I think subs are ok to use as long as they work for the EC who is on the contract.

The same here in Jersey, but some slick contractors still try to get around the laws.

Myself I would not want to extend my exposure, or risk losing my business permit.

 

[jjhoward]

Hello Satcom;
What risk to your permit for supervising the work of others?
As I understand it that is not illegal in NJ.
If the work is poor, that is my job to see the problem and have it corrected on their dime.
I don't call for the final inspection until I am happy.

 

[wawireguy]

So... Are the guys doing the work licensed electricians in your state? If not you could get in hot water for pulling the permit then having guys who aren't licensed do the work. What is the recourse if you don't like their work? Will they fix it? Honestly I think this deal is not in your best interest. I'd try to get a contract from this company to do the work yourself.

 

[jjhoward]

In NJ I can have people working under my supervision who are not licensed. There is nothing illegal about that.

Who fixes it if I don?t like it?.I am assuming they will with their labor.

However, if there are problems, then suddenly my time on the site increases. How do I charge or how do I contract for that possibility?

 

[satcom]

Hello Satcom;
What risk to your permit for supervising the work of others?
As I understand it that is not illegal in NJ.
If the work is poor, that is my job to see the problem and have it corrected on their dime.
I don't call for the final inspection until I am happy.

Are these guys your employees, and on your payroll? if yes then it's not illegal, but renting your license is illegal.

 

[jjhoward]

I don't think I am renting my license.
I am being hired because I have a license.
My function is to supervise the work of others.
I am one of the employees on the site.
How is that illegal?
Is it only legal if I write those I supervise a paycheck??

 

[satcom]

I don't think I am renting my license.
I am being hired because I have a license.
My function is to supervise the work of others.
I am one of the employees on the site.
How is that illegal?
Is it only legal if I write those I supervise a paycheck??

It is simple they need to be your employees, and the company looking to get someone on the cheap will have to contract with you to do the job, that they will not do because they do not intend to in rich anyone, but themself, Now I am most likely wrong and it's just that I no nothing about electrical work, or contracting, I just come on here to pass time.

 

[jjhoward]

I guess you are being sarcastic....

Seriously, do you know if what I am describing is illegal in NJ?

 

[hardworkingstiff]

Imo

Imo

The "proper" way to do this is for the EC (YOU!) has a contract with the GC (properly licensed in your State) or owner. You hire (a contract!) the subs and supervise them.

I'd do it like the GC's, 15% of the job.