How to price supervision task?

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satcom

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jjhoward said:
I guess you are being sarcastic....

Seriously, do you know if what I am describing is illegal in NJ?
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One of the reasons we have the CEU's requirements, is too many guys don't understand the laws, just call the board office in the morning and let them know what you want to do, if they say it's ok, than post here tommorow, so i can be th first to loan out my license.
 
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jjhoward

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Owner TJ Electric
Satcom,
I am looking through the NJ Statutes & Regulations for us NJECs
In the section titled "Supervision of electrical work", I don't see anything that says there is a problem with what I am doing.

If you know the proper interpretation of the law, why not explain it.

Or just say that in you opinion you don?t think one should do this?.
 
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ctmike

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i dont know NJ but in CT you would need to be on the job or a journeyman in your employ . apprentices there only under youror your journeymans direct suppervison. The licence is yours you worked hard for it protect it and your self IMO
 
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hardworkingstiff

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jjhoward said:
Satcom,
I am looking through the NJ Statutes & Regulations for us NJECs
In the section titled "Supervision of electrical work", I don't see anything that says there is a problem with what I am doing.

If you know the proper interpretation of the law, why not explain it.

Or just say that in you opinion you don?t think one should do this?.
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I don't know NJ law, but people in NC lose their licenses for enabling 'others' to work as ECs when they are not ECs. In NC, if your not licensed in NC, then you are not an EC.
 
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Cavie

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480sparky said:
In addition to the 'hall' question, how does that differ when I pull a permit to do a job, then subcontract part of the job to someone else? Those people are the employees of whatever company I subcontract to, not mine.
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Subcontract is the key word. If someone gets hurt, you had best have a sign subcontract in place with all the legal stuff such as insurance and workmans comp and signitures of all partys involved.
 
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emahler

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jjhoward said:
In NJ I can have people working under my supervision who are not licensed. There is nothing illegal about that.

Who fixes it if I don?t like it?.I am assuming they will with their labor.

However, if there are problems, then suddenly my time on the site increases. How do I charge or how do I contract for that possibility?
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In NJ they have be your employees to be legal...you can't sub out to an unlicensed contractor...you can hire his men for this project and put them on your payroll...

but what you are describing is not legal in the great state of New Jersey...
 
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emahler

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jjhoward said:
I don't think I am renting my license.
I am being hired because I have a license.
My function is to supervise the work of others.
I am one of the employees on the site.
How is that illegal?
Is it only legal if I write those I supervise a paycheck??
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NJ is a 1 license, 1 company state...if you are hired by this company to cover them with your license, you have to cease covering your company for the duration of this project...
 
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celtic

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jjhoward said:
I will contact the DOCA of NJ tomorrow and let you know.
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I predict they will deem "the plan" as a violation.

The "employees" will need to be paid by check from JJHOWARD ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS EXTRAORDINAIRE.
45:5A-15. Transferability of license or business permit
No license or business permit issued under this act shall be assigned or transferable.

13:31-3.1 Worker?s compensation
(a) Business permit holders shall obtain the worker?s compensation insurance required by the laws of this State
covering employees employed by the business permit holder or his subcontractor. Business permit holders
shall maintain on file a certificate of insurance evidencing such coverage.
(b) Business permit holders shall ensure that all temporary employees working under the supervision of the permit
holders have obtained the required worker?s compensation coverage.
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Go El Grande on the pricing;
13:31-3.4 Supervision of electrical work
(a) The licensee whose license qualifies the holder of a business permit to engage in the business of electrical
contracting in the State of New Jersey shall assume full responsibility for the inspection and supervision of all
electrical work to be performed by the permittee in compliance with recognized safety standards.
(b) The qualifying licensee shall be deemed not to have assumed such required responsibility where he engages in
the following acts and practices:
1. Failure to personally inspect and supervise the work of employees where necessary and appropriate.
2. Failure to ensure that electrical workers are afforded the degree of personal on-site supervision commensurate
with their level of competence and the complexity of the work to be performed.
3. Failure to be personally available on a reasonable basis where circumstances require personal availability.
4. Regular and continuous absence from the principal office of the permit holder where the permit holder
maintains a New Jersey office; or the regular and continuous absence from the work sites of electrical work
performed in New Jersey where the permit holder does not maintain a New Jersey office.
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http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/electric/eleclaws.pdf
 
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satcom

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I just hope he understands, everyone replying to this post is trying to help him from getting into problems.
 
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Dr.Sparks

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I get calls @ least once a week for a "third party permit" and I give them my hourly rate X 2 men for the entire duration of the job and make it clear that only my guys touch anything electrical. Not 1 job has come out of that offer.go figure:roll:
 
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jjhoward

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Location
Northern NJ
Occupation
Owner TJ Electric
Hello All;
Thank you for all the words of wisdom.
Alright..I just didn't know. Never been asked to do this type of gig before.

Mz. Borek @ the NJ DCA stood up for you guys!

Yes, the only way any work in NJ gets done is by the licensed contractor and/or his employees.

Gee, sounds familiar as I look back through this thread.

Thanks.

The contractor who has approached me needs to get these 40 compressors and air handlers swapped out. I will break the news to him on Monday and see if I can get the job done for him.
 
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