How was this Passed?

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charlie b

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LarryFine said:
How do the left buses get their power?
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iwire said:
Darn good question, I blew it up 200% then 400% and I still could not see it. :-?
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I brought it into Photoshop, and ran it through a bicubic resampling and an unsharp mask and a few other tricks of the trade. I could not find it either. Must be that new "wireless micro-technology." ;)
 
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electricalperson said:
america invaded canada during the war of 1812 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
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You mean tried to invade Canada?

Drove around all day with a 3' x 6' flag attached to a section of 2" PVC conduit off the back of my truck. Nothing shows pride like a 1-man redneck parade!

At least you guys get your party on Friday (so you have all weekend to recover...)

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iwire said:
If your asking if it's ugly I agree. :grin:

The larger blue / gray SER looks like it has citable support issues along with the black NM

Remember code minimum support of NM is within 12" and no more then 4.5' after that. Most of the original cables look like they meet that.

What NEC rule prohibits NM exposed under 8'? :cool:
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Hey! Thanks Bob! I was told that it was a rule for the last 2 years from the guy I worked with, and he 'was the boss' so I just went with it. I read the whole NM section and I found nothing about exposed romex under 8'. Thanks for correction. Every time I heard him say that, I always thought to myself "I should look that up" especially this came from the same guy that "knew" it was OK to use #14 pigtails on #12, 20A receptacle circuits. He "just couldnt find the code last time he looked"

I sure am glad I am the boss now :grin:

~Matt
 
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TOOL_5150 said:
Hey! Thanks Bob! I was told that it was a rule for the last 2 years from the guy I worked with, and he 'was the boss' so I just went with it.
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No problem Matt, but you are out in CA right?

If I remember correctly the standard interpretation of 'exposed to physical damage' out there does in fact have something to do with 8' and below.

So while the rest of us may run down to the panel you all in CA might have a problem with that. Forum member e57 works around you and I think he has mentioned all this. :smile:
 
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iwire said:
No problem Matt, but you are out in CA right?

If I remember correctly the standard interpretation of 'exposed to physical damage' out there does in fact have something to do with 8' and below.

So while the rest of us may run down to the panel you all in CA might have a problem with that. Forum member e57 works around you and I think he has mentioned all this. :smile:
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Yeah, here we usually have the panel in a wall that is going to get sheet rocked, so we dont usually have to worry about it. I was specifically saying as far as the NEC reads, there is no mention of 8', however I believe there is [and have been called on] having NM exposed "subject to damage" under 8 feet. I thought all along it was in the NEC, but its most likely an amendment.

~Matt
 
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Well this panel was worked on serveral times by electricians for according to my sis, could not keep the panel going in fuses. Every time she used the dryer the fuse would blow. Which is btw, the two conductors that cross over the bus bars. I refuse to belive that conductors crossing over hot bus bars is considered safe practice. Guess I have to revisit the panel from hell to see where the left Bus bars taps into the main. Will post a pic of the annswer, Just hope that it dont get it's power from arcing :rolleyes: Only good thing is that there is only one run of 14/2 wire, all the rest is 12/2 or better.:cool:

Going to rip it all out and put in a breaker panel.


~FyE~
 
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1stYearElectrican said:
Only good thing is that there is only one run of 14/2 wire, all the rest is 12/2 or better.:cool:
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There is nothing wrong with 14 AWG when used correctly.

I guess what some of us 'old timers' are trying to tell you is not to make snap decisions based on first appearances. :)
 
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1stYearElectrican said:
Well this panel was worked on serveral times by electricians for according to my sis, could not keep the panel going in fuses. Every time she used the dryer the fuse would blow. Which is btw, the two conductors that cross over the bus bars. I refuse to belive that conductors crossing over hot bus bars is considered safe practice. Guess I have to revisit the panel from hell to see where the left Bus bars taps into the main. Will post a pic of the annswer, Just hope that it dont get it's power from arcing :rolleyes: Only good thing is that there is only one run of 14/2 wire, all the rest is 12/2 or better.:cool:

Going to rip it all out and put in a breaker panel.


~FyE~
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You're new to the forum so let me tell you; we will expect before and after pictures when you are done.:grin:

I am serious ;)

~Matt
 
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