hydro-tub receptacle location

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Contractor installs branch circuit and receptacle outlet for hydromassage bathub on rough. Bathtub is installed before final and the manufacturer installed cord for the pump motor does not reach receptacle outlet location. Can this installation be approved? Code references?
 
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I would have to say no. Since the only resonable thing to do would to change the cord, which would be altering a UL listed product.
 
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on second thought you could hard wire it if the install instructions give provisions for this and just use recep box as a junction box. Just a thought. Don't beat me up to bad guys just an idea.
 
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How about 210.50(C), the receptacle installed within 6 ft of the appliance (most appliance cords are 6 ft). I know, the jacuzzi is well within 6 ft of the receptacle, even if the cord does not reach.

The original box could be used as a splice box, and the circuit extended to reach the cord. The splice box would be required to bee accessible, see 300.15.
 
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I just gave up. :( I am now burning my NEC in the fireplace and "gonna feel real stupid" in a minute. I thought Pierre was gettin close. :confused:
 
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I don't see how it violates any code rules. I do see that it would be something that the person paying for the installation would want to be corrected.
 
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Scott I pulled the book out of the fire thought I was going crazy !
 
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I agree with Scott.

This could turn into a "what do the prints and spec.'s say thing" and how your area does the inspections.



#1 Let the GC and the trades work it out.

#2 Tell them the spec's say "must be a working installation and code compliant".

I know you would hate to leave it as is and have some kind of "rig" or extention cord installed as in this area saftey is a real concern.
 
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on second thought you could hard wire it if the install instructions give provisions for this and just use recep box as a junction box. Just a thought. Don't beat me up to bad guys just an idea
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If you do this remember its a motor and it still needs a means of disconnect. Thats why theres a cord.
 
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Originally posted by pierre:
The original box could be used as a splice box, and the circuit extended to reach the cord. The splice box would be required to bee accessible, see 300.15.
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I agree. You can even keep the existing box to house a GFCI wired for feed-through, and place a receptacle where the cord will reach. Or just a blank plate with the receptacle in a new box, as Pierre said, with an NM extension.
 
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Most tubs like this have the motor in the middle and a 3 ft. cord,unless the receptacle is on the wrong side how won`t it reach as tubs don`t exceed 4 ft.width?I have always left a 6 ft lead on rough and finished the install on trim that way this isn`t an issue.Guess I am one of those romex jockeys that use thier head for more than a place to hang the ears :D
 
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You can't pass it knowing it will either get an extention cord or repaired in some other way and you not seeing it again.Tell him fix it in code compliant way and recall when ready.
 
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If they didn't know where the motor was going to be, shame on them for not pulling it in such a way they were ready for any scenario. That's their fault.

Fail it until they move it, junction it, or whatever. Allowing an extension cord for this is not cool.

I agree with rcarroll's response. :)
 
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What about 110.3(B) - Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling.

I'm sure the instructions will include the requirement for a receptacle that the cord will reach.

Steve
 
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I`m also sure that there are no provisions for an extension cord to be used to make the connection.I agree with George,if the rough guy didn`t have enough foresight to leave the wiring so that it can reach anyplace in the tub area shame on him.Junction it and extend to reach is the referred method or re pull the circuit and that is not a referred method.
 
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Originally posted by georgestolz:Fail it until they move it, junction it, or whatever. Allowing an extension cord for this is not cool.
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OK. Let me play with this one a moment. On an earlier thread, I agreed with something George said. I have to disagree with something else, just to keep things on a even keel. :D
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
On an earlier thread, I agreed with something George said. I have to disagree with something else, just to keep things on a even keel. :D

So if I can have use a flexible cord to power the tub on a permanent basis, then why can I not use an extension cord on a permanent basis?
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Because:

210.50(B) Cord Connections. A receptacle outlet shall be installed wherever flexible cords with attachment plugs are used. Where flexible cords are permitted to be permanently connected, receptacles shall be permitted to be omitted for such cords.
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It does not say an extension cord shall be provided, or shall be permitted to be provided. It says a receptacle outlet shall be installed.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :p
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Ergo my philosophy; if you think wire's expensive, wait until you do it over.
 
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