I am dreading dreadlocks.

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Coppersmith

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It wasn't too long ago I had a female friend who had a tattoo on her lower leg who got a job working as a cashier in a bank. She was required to wear dresses and since the tattoo would be visible in a dress, she was required to cover it with a big bandage-like patch. My how times have changed.
 

jaggedben

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I'm not judging on length at all. It's the matted aspect of the hair I don't like. The bigger the mats, the nastier in my opinion.
Ok, but what makes that any of your business as an employer? Your not contending it's a safety issue. Maybe you don't like seeing it every day, but what if the person is an ideal employee in every other way? Is not hiring that person for that reason good for your business even if it's legal? What is really at stake for you here? Supposing it's a worry about how customers may react to being around such an employee, are there other issues of personal style that don't involve dreadlocks that you'd find equally problematic (say, tatoos covering one's entire face)? Or are you just singling out dreadlocks? Again, how would you write your company policy so it isn't discriminating on a matter of your personal taste, but rather has a broader basis that's justified by your business needs?

[Edit: typed and posted before reading above comments about tatoos.]
 

hbiss

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Supposing it's a worry about how customers may react to being around such an employee,

To me that's exactly what it is. Maybe I wouldn't be that concerned if I was hiring somebody to work in the shop or on a commercial job where they won't interact with the customer. But I have to be concerned about my company's image when working with customers and I have to take how employees are going to be perceived into account. I can tell you that that law, if passed, won't amount to a hill of beans. I just won't hire someone that I can't use, don't like or isn't a good fit. Same as always.

-Hal
 

rambojoe

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I thought I would further clarify my position with some pictures.

Acceptable
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Marginal (somewhat sloppy/messy)

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Unacceptable (This is what I mean when I say giant matted mess.)

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"I like, cant wear a hardhat man, its against my beliefs..and, like, it just wont fit man. Hire me or ill sue."
 

Hv&Lv

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It wasn't too long ago I had a female friend who had a tattoo on her lower leg who got a job working as a cashier in a bank. She was required to wear dresses and since the tattoo would be visible in a dress, she was required to cover it with a big bandage-like patch. My how times have changed.
We require all, repeat ALL tattoos to be covered.
for the girls inside, the blouse better not ride up her back to show her stamp, nor wear a skirt that shows leg tattoos.
for the guys (inside and out), if tattoos come down to your wrist, long sleeves aren’t an option, they are a requirement.
We have a lineman that has a chest tattoo. He cant wear a Henley style T shirt unless it remains buttoned.
 

Fred B

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Coppersmith's images demonstrates why the discrimination against the "locks" is definitely IMO justified. Cultural appropriation especially inclusive, sorry but I've yet to see a non culturally appropriate (white) "locks" that don't simply look filthy. Or maybe I'm just too old, and filth is in and publicly acceptable.
 

wwhitney

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But I have to be concerned about my company's image when working with customers and I have to take how employees are going to be perceived into account.
That same argument would in an earlier context have been "I'm not racist, but a lot of my customers are, so I can't hire you."

Hair style is not the same as skin color, but the argument is still suspect.

Cheers, Wayne
 

Coppersmith

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Ok, but what makes that any of your business as an employer?
@hbiss summed up my position very well. It's all about client perceptions. I would have no issue sending any competent electrician into a commercial job as part of a crew. But when I'm sending a single electrician to a residence, that person is representing the image of the company. I don't know what percentage of my clients would react negatively to that person, but it's likely the majority based on the demographic I serve. I have be concerned because clients post reviews colored by their own prejudices, may not call us back for additional work, and may not make in-person referrals to others. I think the effect on the business would be real and significant. I have to keep people with perceived bad grooming, full face tattoos, and larceny convictions away from such clients.
 

Coppersmith

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Presumably not medical tattoos used for radiation treatment?

Cheers, Wayne
My wife has a couple of medical tattoos on her backside. They are just small black dots, but they annoy me every time I see them. They look like skin imperfections you want to pick at.
 

wwhitney

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I have be concerned because clients post reviews colored by their own prejudices, may not call us back for additional work, and may not make in-person referrals to others.
Sound like the free market is offering you a choice between (a) not propagating the client's prejudices and (b) getting the client's work. A tough choice for a business.

The point of the CROWN act is to require the choice of (a), in the context of "hairstyle (which) is commonly associated with a particular race or national origin."

Cheers, Wayne
 

Hv&Lv

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I had long hair in my youth and loved it. I wish I could grow long hair now. Jealous of those that can and have it…

Long hair that is long on a male or female and kept up looks great IMO. We don’t allow it at work, but I still like it.

Long hair that is matted, nasty, and stinks looks bad I don’t care what color, gender, race, culture, etc..
 

gadfly56

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What he said.
OK, answering both...

You don't ever have a "myriad". You have a "myriad" of something, so it's not a noun. It modifies a noun, so it's and adjective. It's just another way of saying "one thousand". You don't have a "one thousand", you have "one thousand" of something.
 
@gadfly56 Sorry, but the dictionaries don't agree with you-

and in the example "a myriad of toads" you have a myriad ("a very large number of things"), of toads ("toads"). The adjective form would be something like "there were myriad toads".

Either way, it doesn't matter beard or not, long hair or none, etc etc- if the person is not clean of body and clothes, they're not ready for work.
 

wwhitney

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Either way, it doesn't matter beard or not, long hair or none, etc etc- if the person is not clean of body and clothes, they're not ready for work.
And conversely, if they are clean of body and clothes, their hair length or style shouldn't matter (beyond hair length safety concerns).

Cheers, Wayne
 

gadfly56

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@gadfly56 Sorry, but the dictionaries don't agree with you-

and in the example "a myriad of toads" you have a myriad ("a very large number of things"), of toads ("toads"). The adjective form would be something like "there were myriad toads".

Either way, it doesn't matter beard or not, long hair or none, etc etc- if the person is not clean of body and clothes, they're not ready for work.
Well, I got the number wrong, but it's still not a noun. You never have a myriad by itself. It's always a myriad of something. "How many enemy were there?" "Myriads." That modifies the noun "enemy" from the previous sentence.
 

James L

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Well, I got the number wrong, but it's still not a noun. You never have a myriad by itself. It's always a myriad of something. "How many enemy were there?" "Myriads." That modifies the noun "enemy" from the previous sentence.
If you have a basket of apples, that's the same structure as having a myriad of opinions

Basket is a noun, so is myriad
 

gadfly56

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If you have a basket of apples, that's the same structure as having a myriad of opinions

Basket is a noun, so is myriad
No, it's not. You can have a basket of apples, an apple, or a basket. You can't have a myriad.
 
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