I can't stand slobs like this.

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kwired said:
The clippings are laying on tile the luminaire is installed in, tiles in the background don't have any clippings on them, don't have any luminaires installed in them either. Can't wire a luminaire that isn't there.
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I said "all the tile".

ceiling guys should only install where the lights go, allow the volts guys to do the work, then rest of tile done.

but perhaps that garbage came later from some other work.
 
K8MHZ said:
It doesn't work that way in the real world. Coming back a second time costs money.
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well, the GC should make sure ceiling tile are on-site so that i can drop-in tile where the lights go.
i also ask GC to make sure they mark any direction if the tiles are directional.

but, coming back a 2nd time? many times when the tiles are in the volts guys pop tile and ruin them, then the tile folks have to come back a 3rd time to fix.

i can see where a very small ceiling job gets all done in one day, but large ceilings the grid is usually done in days, then they start the tile works, which means they still have to come back to do tile work, etc.
 
480sparky said:
Normal for directional tile is the arrow goes north. Which is what these did.
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how's that? :eek:hmy:
directional tiles can look very different when entering a room, some factors to consider (door, tile, grid layout, etc)

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Tiling floors, tiling ceilings..same difference in many ways... usual method was always, if in doubt, point arrows to back door, from front door... as long as you know where the front or back of the building is...lol...

Never heard point using a compass...

Just saying!
 
FionaZuppa said:
how's that? :eek:hmy:
directional tiles can look very different when entering a room, some factors to consider (door, tile, grid layout, etc)
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That's why the rule is point the arrows north. That way you don't have to look at any existing tile before installing new or replacing.

Back on topic: I've found that dropped ceilings can provide a treasure trove of used tools if you are lucky.

-Hal
 
I index north, kinda why it's on the print. The tile guys give us boxes of tile if the spec. didn't call out for them to put it in. They leave an open close to what the print shows; or they just tile the whole place and we get to break the tile next to the fixture location( by accident)!
 
hbiss said:
That's why the rule is point the arrows north. That way you don't have to look at any existing tile before installing new or replacing.

Back on topic: I've found that dropped ceilings can provide a treasure trove of used tools if you are lucky.

-Hal
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Over the past ~30yrs I have installed lots and lots of sq.ft of drop ceiling w/ all sorts of tile.
directional tile may look like shiat if you put the arrow north. all depends on tile and how you enter the room. some tile may look good arrows north, others not.

but anyways, i guess if the only thing knows was "arrows that way", then thats all that is needed, they all would point the same way, but may not look the bestest.
 
grich said:
I try to wear a hat when popping tiles to keep that crap out of my hair. Of course, the one time I forget is when I find Mickey's toilet...yep, it really does run downhill.
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Yep, and physics folks might disagree, but put one of them under any ceiling demo work and then ask 'em whether gravity sucks.;)
 
hbiss said:
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Back on topic: I've found that dropped ceilings can provide a treasure trove of used tools if you are lucky.

-Hal
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I found two 18” Rigid pipe wrenches in a dropped ceiling next to a sprinkler head.
I guess the sprinkler guy was in a hurry to leave. It must have been the last head installed. :lol:

I still I’ll have them. They have come in handy when having to pull a ground rod that won’t drive in a spot.
 
I popped a ceiling tile in the cafeteria of a VA hospital and had a dead rat caught in a trap fall on my head and land at my feet. I'm told I screamed like a girl.

Looking around up there I saw a dozen other traps. (No victims.) Put me off ordering food.
 
I've found all kinds of stuff, but had an apprentice up in a school hard spline ceiling call down that lights were already up there! I had him bring out 12 holophane glass fixtures(hang in my shop now) and 2 full glass sphere type, with the little glass plug at he bottom just big enough to it your hand holding a 300 incandescent lamp.
 
FionaZuppa said:
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I said "all the tile".

ceiling guys should only install where the lights go, allow the volts guys to do the work, then rest of tile done.

but perhaps that garbage came later from some other work.
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I know what you said, things happen, ideally you only get perimeter and other "cut tiles" installed initially, then you get to lay in what is needed for fixtures and install fixtures while others are still out. Doesn't always happen that way, but even if the ones with fixtures cut into them were the only ones installed at the time wiring was made up, you may get clippings/strippings on top of them, and that seems to be about the only place in that photo that has such debris - on the tiles with lights in them.
 
Coppersmith said:
I popped a ceiling tile in the cafeteria of a VA hospital and had a dead rat caught in a trap fall on my head and land at my feet. I'm told I screamed like a girl.

Looking around up there I saw a dozen other traps. (No victims.) Put me off ordering food.
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Don't work at any food processing plants or you will never want to eat anything commercially processed again.

If you have food you will have rats, and everything else that wants to eat it. The best pest control will still end up missing some on occasion, that is what the additional traps located inside are for, to catch anything that made it past the outdoor protection.

What is procedure when any sort of contamination is discovered is just as important as assuring there is never any contamination at all, because potential for contamination is always a possibility. You can have strict hand washing policy, gloves or other protective clothing, etc. but when that gearbox drips a little oil into product, it is still a problem, so is moving a ceiling tile over open product whether a rat turd falls out of it or not, just dirt/dust accumulated on the tile is potential issue and you just don't move tile without somehow protecting product or wait until there is no product to contaminate. That is if they are using good manufacturing practices, which the maintenance dept and subcontractors get to learn all their practices before they are allowed to work inside such a place - especially in active production areas.
 
kwired said:
so is moving a ceiling tile over open product whether a rat turd falls out of it or not, just dirt/dust accumulated on the tile is potential issue and you just don't move tile without somehow protecting product or wait until there is no product to contaminate.
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You just reminded me of another instance. :lol: I was an apprentice working with a journeyman in an operating room adding a receptacle. We got a call from the boss. Seems we left a ceiling tile open over the operating table and it wasn't noticed until a patient was lying there cut open for an operation. :eek: I'm told they closed the tile with a broom handle. Not sure how many rat turds and how much dust fell into that guy.:sick:
 
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