?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

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Originally posted by rcarroll:
Good question. I'm not going to move my fridge to plug something into the unused outlet tho. :D
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I ain?t too brite so I might need a little help with this section that has been referenced.

220.14 (I) Receptacle Outlets. Except as covered in 220.14(J) and (K), receptacle outlets shall be calculated at not less than 180 volt-amperes for each single or for each multiple receptacle on one yoke. A single piece of equipment consisting of a multiple receptacle comprised of four or more receptacles shall be calculated at not less than 90 volt-amperes per receptacle. This provision shall not be applicable to the receptacle outlets specified in 210.11(C)(1) and (C)(2).
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Let me start my question about this part, ?receptacle outlets shall be calculated at not less than 180 volt-amperes for each single or for each multiple receptacle on one yoke ?

Here we are told that more than one receptacle can be on one yoke.

Then I see this, ?. A single piece of equipment consisting of a multiple receptacle comprised of four or more receptacles shall be calculated at not less than 90 volt-amperes per receptacle.?
Is this addressing each point of contact as a separate receptacle?

In 210.8(A)(2) and (5) exception 2 the reference is made about a single receptacle or a duplex receptacle leading me to believe that someone is thinking that there a difference between a single device yoke and a duplex.

In 517.18(B) the mention of single and duplex for the patient bed location and again in 517.19 and in 517.33(A)(8) mandates that a duplex be installed.

In 620.23 and 24 the words duplex is again mentioned as well as in 550.13(D)(2).

I have no confusion at all about the difference between the word receptacle and receptacles


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A question who here actually pulls #14 to the fridge when pulling hr`s in a kitchen.I have always dropped 6 rolls of # 12 and pulled together 2 SA,1 Micro,1 d/w,1 disp. and a fridge.Usually hit the dining off the fridge circuit either before or after the hr depending on lay out.In that case a duplex is fine but if dedicated I always use a single 20 since it is an individual branch circuit and at that point has to match the ampacity of the branch circuit.
 
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I'm just reposting what I had posted earlier I think you guys might have missed it.
:D 210.52 (b) 1 exception 2 reads.Exception No. 2: The receptacle outlet for refrigeration
equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual
branch circuit rated 15 amperes or greater.
The definition for receptacle outlet Receptacle Outlet. An outlet where one or more receptacles
are installed.
So I would have to say yes you are allowed to use a duplex in this situation, but I would make sure that the recep was located in a way behind the refridgerator that it wasn't accesible with out moving the fridge.
 
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Originally posted by kendog:
So I would have to say yes you are allowed to use a duplex in this situation, but I would make sure that the recep was located in a way behind the refridgerator that it wasn't accesible with out moving the fridge.
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Now you have a 15 amp receptacle in the kitchen and are in violation of 210.52(B).

What is a receptacle outlet?
Could it be an outlet?
Is the word receptacle not an adjective describing the outlet?
Originally posted by charlie b:
Furthermore, the word "receptacle" is used in the NEC as an adjective, even though the NEC does not define it in that context. An example is "receptacle outlet." Here, "receptacle" is an adjective, modifying the noun "outlet."
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What is a lighting outlet?
Could it be an outlet for a light?

The confusion is coming from the reference to supplying the outlet where the receptacle is to be installed. The word individual is singular and the word duplex means two. Weather or not it is being used when a duplex is installed two pieces of equipment is supplied. A triplex is supplying three pieces of equipment.

To call a duplex or a triplex a receptacle would be improper grammar as neither of these are singular. These two items are receptacles. Notice the ?S? on the end of the word.

This thread reminds me of when my oldest daughter was three years old. It was Easter and just before bedtime. She had been told that she couldn?t have any more chocolate before she went to bed. As I was checking on her I saw chocolate on her face and I ask, ?are you eating candy?? ?No? was her reply. The truth was she was not eating candy at the time I ask the question but the question remains, was she eating chocolate?

To install a duplex in this outlet using the exception violates the main rule that is above the exception and this rule has precedence over the exception. All receptacles installed in this kitchen are to be on twenty amp circuits including the one that is not in use on this 15 amp multioutlet circuit that was installed for the refrigeration equipment.
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you're still missing the part of the exception thats says receptacle outlet and not receptacle. the main rule also says receptacle outlet and not receptacle. what if you put a gas range on a 15 amp breaker with a duplex recpetacle. Your saying that since the range only use on recpetacle of the duplex the other receptacle would be in violation even though no one in there right minde is going to pull the range out to use the extra receptacle. When there is a perfectly good one with in 2' of the range.

[ February 23, 2006, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: kendog ]
 
Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by kendog:
you're still missing the part of the exception thats says receptacle outlet and not receptacle. the main rule also says receptacle outlet and not receptacle. what if you put a gas range on a 15 amp breaker with a duplex recpetacle. Your saying that since the range only use on recpetacle of the duplex the other receptacle would be in violation even though no one in there right minde is going to pull the range out to use the extra receptacle. When there is a perfectly good one with in 2' of the range.
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No I am not missing anything in either exception.
Yes I am saying that a receptacle that is installed for any of the following must supply current for that piece of equipment ONLY!

210.52(B)(1) exception (1) to replace the required lighting outlet and it MUST be switched and on a general lighting circuit

210.52(B)(1) exception (2) an outlet on an individual circuit can contain one receptacle for each piece of refrigeration equipment

I am also saying that the exception to which you have referred to are to be on the small appliance circuit as outlined in their section

210.52(C) exception (1) allows a clock to be installed on a small appliance circuit
210.52(C) exception (2) allows the light and igniters for a gas range to be installed on the small appliance circuit.

Any receptacle (singular) that is installed other than those that are in use as outlined by the above mentioned exceptions are REQUIRED to be on a 20 amp circuit no matter if it is behind anything or not.

Circuits and receptacles that are installed to supply dishwashers, disposals and hood fans are outlined in 422.
Circuits and receptacles installed to supply ranges are outlined in 210.19 and 220,55
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Originally posted by jwelectric: To call a duplex or a triplex a receptacle would be improper grammar as neither of these are singular. These two items are receptacles.
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If you hold in your hand a duplex, are you going to call it a "duplex receptacles"? If you buy a duplex at the hardware store, is the cashier going to charge you for two? ;)

This has been an exercise in reading the words, as those words are written. The only thing clear to me, from this discussion, is that the various authors of the various NEC sections were not consistent, in the way they chose the words.
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
If you hold in your hand a duplex, are you going to call it a "duplex receptacles"?
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Yes and if I am holding a triplex I will call it a triplex. I have said many times here in this forum as well as other forums and in the class room that many a test has been failed just because we try to apply the words and actions we learn in the field. A good example of this is, in 54 years of living I have never changed a ?tire?. Every flat I have ever had in my life constituted a flat tar.

Originally posted by charlie b:
If you buy a duplex at the hardware store, is the cashier going to charge you for two? :)
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I'm getting more input on this topic than I expected. Now I am ready to battle the inspector if he has any problems with how my electricians installed them.

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David - St. Louis :cool:
 
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battle the inspector
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when you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it. :D
 
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Never seen anything so clear get this muddy.First off if it is a 14-2 15 amp dedicated circuit that is permitted for the frig.It can not be dedicated and be a duplex.A duplex is 2 receptacles .Now if you run a 12-2 to frig then it may or maynot be dedicated.That depends on the device installed.If you put a single outlet then it is dedicated.If this dedicated outlet is on a 20 amp breaker then it must be rated at 20 amps,however if you use a 15 amp breaker it can be a 15 amp single.Only other choice is use duplex on 12-2 with 20 amp breaker and don't call it a frig outlet,call it what it is--A SA CIRCUIT.
So what an inspector needs to know is what you labeled it as at panel and what size wire and breaker.
When you provide a duplex you are saying it's ok to plug 2 items in.You can not have a 15 amp circuit with a duplex outlet behind frig.
 
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I have to add my two cents worth also in the discussion.If this duplex receptacle becomes accessible because of any reason, then it must become a GFI receptacle.
Rick
 
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Rick,
I have to add my two cents worth also in the discussion.If this duplex receptacle becomes accessible because of any reason, then it must become a GFI receptacle.
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Why?
Don
 
Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by RUWired:
I have to add my two cents worth also in the discussion.If this duplex receptacle becomes accessible because of any reason, then it must become a GFI receptacle.
Rick
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Why? It is not serving the kitchen countertop. If it is on the far wall of the kitchen, mounted about 18" AFF, serving as a wall receptacle, you would still require GFCI protection? What about the ones inside of the cabinets for the microwave, disposal, dishwasher, ect. Those are accessible.


Jim, the bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. They don't need single receptacles installed. From interpretation, there is a difference between dedicated and individual branch circuits.
 
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I'm with Mike on this one.
 
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Im back,Because then it will be serving as a small appliance or in realistic perposes, a countertop .Or if it is in a garage or unfinished basement and that fixed appliance was also moved ,then that would be also need to be gfi
Rick
 
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