?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

[RUWired]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

I"M just saying that this duplex allowed device has now become accessible
Rick

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Rick,

Because then it will be serving as a small appliance or in realistic perposes, a countertop .

If it is not above the countertop, it is not serving the countertop. The kitchen GFCI rule only applies to receptacles that serve countertops.
Don

 

[RUWired]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Don ,I understand that ,but they also would'nt be readily accessible.Also for instance, in the basement/garage,i have a fridge,it does'nt need GFI protection if its a single outlet,or a duplex if its connected to two appliances.Thats all i was pointing out.
Rick
My view;dedicated circuit =single or duplex receptacle.

 

[charlie b]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by throttlebody: Jim, the bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. . . . From interpretation, there is a difference between dedicated and individual branch circuits.

I agree that there is a difference between "dedicated branch circuit" and "individual branch circuit." The difference is that the second is defined by the NEC, and the first is trade slang. But it is not true that bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. The exception to 210.11(C)(3) gives us another option.

 

[allenwayne]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by throttlebody:

Originally posted by RUWired:
I have to add my two cents worth also in the discussion.If this duplex receptacle becomes accessible because of any reason, then it must become a GFI receptacle.
Rick

Why? It is not serving the kitchen countertop. If it is on the far wall of the kitchen, mounted about 18" AFF, serving as a wall receptacle, you would still require GFCI protection? What about the ones inside of the cabinets for the microwave, disposal, dishwasher, ect. Those are accessible.


Jim, the bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. They don't need single receptacles installed. From interpretation, there is a difference between dedicated and individual branch circuits.

If a circuit is run to a bath to serve just the required receptacle providing that we are speaking about a single point in which power is utilized then a standard gfci is fine.They are rated as 20 amps and if not mistaken aren`t they rated as 15 amp feed through ???

 

[jwelectric]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by charlie b:

Originally posted by throttlebody: Jim, the bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. . . . From interpretation, there is a difference between dedicated and individual branch circuits.

I agree that there is a difference between "dedicated branch circuit" and "individual branch circuit." The difference is that the second is defined by the NEC, and the first is trade slang. But it is not true that bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. The exception to 210.11(C)(3) gives us another option.

Is there any difference between "dedicated branch circuit" and "individual branch circuit."?

Originally posted by Charlie B
This has been an exercise in reading the words, as those words are written. The only thing clear to me, from this discussion, is that the various authors of the various NEC sections were not consistent, in the way they chose the words.

Some times the two of us disagree about things found in the NEC and I think that this is healthy to our mental state.
The statement above I could not agree with more as outlined below.

Originally posted by Charlie B
I agree that there is a difference between "dedicated branch circuit" and "individual branch circuit." The difference is that the second is defined by the NEC, and the first is trade slang.

Although the word ?dedicated? is not found in article 100 of the NEC the NEC does use the word when referring to a circuit as outlined in 210.8(A) exceptions 2, 3, 5 and the exception to 210.8(B) 4
The term dedicated circuit is also mentioned in 220, 620, 690 and 692.

We do agree that most of those who sit the panels talk a little different than the rest of us.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

What about instances where multiple singlex outlets, such as 20a or 30a 120v twistlocks, are used in schools and other institutions for maintainence purposes?

I'm referencing the common use of a riser of 1 30a circuit with about a dozen singlex receptacles for floor polishing machines.

Singlex does not necessarily denote "dedicated circuit."

 

[throttlebody]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by charlie b:
I agree that there is a difference between "dedicated branch circuit" and "individual branch circuit." The difference is that the second is defined by the NEC, and the first is trade slang. But it is not true that bathroom receptacles are to be on a dedicated circuit. The exception to 210.11(C)(3) gives us another option.

You are abosulutely right. How forgetful of me to not include the exception. I apologize for not being more thorough in my intent to point out the differences. I shall include it now in a question.

So, can I also tap outside of the bathroom(s) to other points or should it be dedicated to serving only those items in the bathroom(s)?

Whether it is serving multiple receptacle outlets, a combination of equipment, or both, it is dedicated to that area and nothing else outside of that area is to be included.

While dedicated branch circuit may not be defined by the NEC, the intent is very clear.

 

[jimwalker]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

What we need to do here is stay on the OP.Some things apply here because of it being a kitchen.We will only confuse thing by entering bathrooms.

 

[throttlebody]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Originally posted by jwelectric:
I have a hard time thinking that these people would use a slang term in a legal document though.

That is funny!

Heaven help us if it were to be my neighbors on that panel. I can hear it now.

That thar yeller ware can only be used in them thar kitchun plugs. Thoze plugs hafta have a buttin to protect yoo.

[ February 24, 2006, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]

 

[jwelectric]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Well I guess this one is not the 1000 post thread

[ February 24, 2006, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]

 

[George Stolz]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Miss me?

 

[jwelectric]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

George if we just talk back and forth we coud make this one the big 1000.

How you been doing? Having to work hard and staying busy? I haven't done anything much other than sit in a chair for the past while. I did do a small job that ended up costing me about as much as I bid on the job.

after this post we like 928 more to get to the 1000. I have been trying to get Charlie B to argue with me but he just won't or he agrees with me.

All we need if for half of the members of this site to post just once and we would have the big 1000 post thread

 

[George Stolz]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

Mike,

Working hard to stay busy, it's that time of year. I need to take a vacation, but I keep getting myself roped into things.

I went to a class the other night on surround sound, components, cables, all that kind of stuff. I learned there's another entire realm of our industry I know next-to-nothing about.

Sorry to hear about your job. Things always get better.

Why are you in a chair?

 

[jwelectric]

Re: ?Individual Branch Circuit" for a Kitchen Refrigera

I have been doing some voluntary work for the Department of Insurance Qualification Board for the past couple of weeks. I have been proof reading their Instructors Manual and correcting any mistakes I find.

These manuals were originally did in Note Pad then pasted to Word Processor and finally to Microsoft Word. The font is scattered all over the place and a lot time goes into fixing these types of problems. I have learned that once sent electronically they scatter again unless they are all but redone in Word.

I look up every question and check the answer sheets for any mistakes that I might find. This is the easy part as each answer has the section reference posted with it. Haven?t found but a couple of these mistakes and most of them were in 430 such as referring to the tables it would refer to table 430.150 instead of 430.250.

I have changed some of the questions from fill in the blank and true and false to multiple choices. Here is an example of one of the questions I added to the manual:

Which of the following best describes a transformer as outlined in 450.2.
I- A woman and here make up early in the morning.
II- A kids toy
(a) I only (b) II only (c) Both I and II (d) Neither I nor II

My money lies that most will pick I only