Inspector climbing a ladder

[sandsnow]

Isn't construction supposed to be done in a certain order? And, coincidentally inspected in a certain order?

people are always trying to push the envelope. Construction schedules are getting shorter and shorter with more penalties for not finishing on time. On some jobs I've seen electricians forced to cut in their work because the schedule moves so fast.

She grabbed a hammer and started pounding holes in the rock so she could see things. Yowzers!

That is way out of line. There is no way I am allowed to destroy your material.

 

[sandsnow]

The wiring is not concealed if there are suspended ceiling tiles in place. It's just harder to inspect now.

So if the GC puts all the tile in before you get your lights and wiring done that's ok, it's just harder to install now.

I'd bet you would not be happy becuse your bid was for unrestricted access.

Our fee codes are based on spending a certain amount of time on a job. I'm sure some re-inspection fees could be arranged IF we went to war over this since it would take the inspector much longer to inspect the ceiling.

 

[roger]

Massachusetts Electrical Code

Rule 10

Electrical installations shall not be concealed or covered from view until inspected by the inspector of wires within and not more than 24 hours for exterior excavations nor more than 72 hours for interior installations after proper notice to the inspector, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays excluded.

You can try to split hairs on what "covered from view" means but around her that means no ceiling tiles, no insulation in the walls, no dirt in the trench etc.

That pretty much removes any doubt in my mind.

BTW, it is the same here and with any D.O.I. project in NC, anything that is covered before an inspection can be forced to be removed or no CO will ever be issued.

As far as an inspector using a ladder, yes they will, but not because something has been concealed before an RI inspection.

Had a job once where somewhere around 50 boards of sheet rock came back down due to the electrical and building inspectors not being invited to the party on time.

Roger

 

[mpd]

The wiring is not concealed if there are suspended ceiling tiles in place. It's just harder to inspect now.

red sticker at the door, remove ceiling tiles, no contractor is going to make my job harder because of there schedule, you think on a large job i am going to be carrying a ladder around and removing tiles to check above the ceiling, don't hold your breath

 

[peter d]

I can already hear Marc's reply: "I'm so glad I live in Pennsyltucky."

 

[mdshunk]

Okay, in Mass you can leave one tile out and the work is no longer covered from view. Climb up there and you can look at it all.

 

[iwire]

Okay, in Mass you can leave one tile out and the work is no longer covered from view. Climb up there and you can look at it all.

Come on up and find out, I love watching others get busted. :grin:

And yes, I have seen MA inspectors climb ladders, and deal with other normal obstructions. :smile:

 

[mdshunk]

And yes, I have seen MA inspectors climb ladders, and deal with other normal obstructions. :smile:

I guess that's what my real problem is. Some of these guys are acting like we should set up our job like the Pope is coming to visit.

 

[radiopet]

We climb them all the time for our inspections. Now the USBC says if you dont provide us with access via a ladder for example then we are in our rights to fail the inspection. It is not an NEC thing but a statewide thing listed in our Uniformed Statewide Building Code.

 

[roger]

Some of these guys are acting like we should set up our job like the Pope is coming to visit.

I actually knew an inspector with the last name Pope so, I guess if he were coming to inspect, you'd better do just that. :grin:

Roger

 

[chevyx92]

We climb them all the time for our inspections. Now the USBC says if you dont provide us with access via a ladder for example then we are in our rights to fail the inspection. It is not an NEC thing but a statewide thing listed in our Uniformed Statewide Building Code.

Just a personal opinion not against you. But figure out how to get your job done if there is no ladder provided. We do!!!! Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LarryFine]

I actually knew an inspector with the last name Pope so, I guess if he were coming to inspect, you'd better do just that. :grin:

There is (or was) an elevator inspector named Pete Moss around here. Always makes me smile. :smile: See?

 

[mpd]

I guess that's what my real problem is. Some of these guys are acting like we should set up our job like the Pope is coming to visit.

leaving ceiling tiles out until after the above ceiling inspection, not sheetrocking before the rough inspection, the site reasonably accessible, does not seem that unreasonable to me

 

[mdshunk]

leaving ceiling tiles out until after the above ceiling inspection, not sheetrocking before the rough inspection, the site reasonably accessible, does not seem that unreasonable to me

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me either. This business of red tagging a job because you have to climb a ladder to the second floor or basement, or a red tag because it's muddy that day is BS. If I got there to wire it, you can get there to inspect it.

 

[radiopet]

Just a personal opinion not against you. But figure out how to get your job done if there is no ladder provided. We do!!!! Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would suggest reading the USBC and it's requirements since you are in Virginia ( do not mean that in a negative way fella...I wish everyone would read those codes...not just you ). While we do climb ladders and I do climb them ( ask Larry Fine )..it is the requirement of the electrician to provide this......I don't make the rules, I just follow them....lol

And no offense taken.....I have not forgotten my roots...lol...I climb anything I can to get the inspection done but in all fairness to the electrical inspector the laws of virginia's codes expect access to be on site.

Here is the wording in the VUSBC

113.1.1 Equipment required. Any ladder,
scaffolding or test equipment necessary to conduct
or witness a requested inspection shall be provided
by the permit holder.

Now......for the life of me i can't imagine why someone would not want to provide this for the inspector. We are not the enemy here and are just doing a job like you are and in fact most inspectors have been doing electrical work for over 20 years and it would be common courtesy I would think. Don't you agree?

 

[roger]

There is (or was) an elevator inspector named Pete Moss around here. Always makes me smile. :smile: See?

:grin:

I was working at a hospital once where they would page a Doctor Green, we never could make out the first name but it sounded like this;

Paging Doctor Green, Doctor Collard Green.

Then there was another hospital where they would page a Doctor Hurt.:smile:


Roger

 

[radiopet]

:grin:

I was working at a hospital once where they would page a Doctor Green, we never could make out the first name but it sounded like this;

Paging Doctor Green, Doctor Collard Green.

Then there was another hospital where they would page a Doctor Hurt.:smile:


Roger

let me guess..are you sure it was not... Dr. Mike Hunt...no doubt....lol

 

[mdshunk]

My daughter's orthodontist was Dr. Toothman, and a recently retired surgeon my wife worked with was Dr. Cutwright. Odd how life works out.

 

[mpd]

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me either. This business of red tagging a job because you have to climb a ladder to the second floor or basement, or a red tag because it's muddy that day is BS. If I got there to wire it, you can get there to inspect it.

our company policy is that if there is no stairs in the house, no inspection, my boss does not want us climbing ladders unless it is absolutely necessary, i do make every effort to make the inspection, but sometimes if i make one exception they expect it every time and they provide less

 

[jerkteacher]

On the job I just finished the GC had to take down about 50 sheets of drywall cause he thought he was slick to cover all the outside walls and say it was existing, I laughed as the inspector used red sharpie all over the drywall.
But he will climb a ladder if the tiles are in...I usually say "I'll remove any tile or ceiling you want, It'll be my pleasure" (now where is my hammer)