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ultramegabob said:
You have got to be kidding....
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nope! latest was a 6 unit strip-mall. (6) 200 amp disconnects with 150 amp fuses feeding interior panels. EC had to re-pull 3/0 Cu
 
augie47 said:
(adjoining jurisdaiction)

2. If the fusible disconnect is rated 200 amps, the wire must aslo be rated 200 amps. (regardless of load or drawgs, "it will take a 200 amp fuse, it needs 200 amp wire"
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Is this an official, written amendment?
 
raider1 said:
I have heard this one too.

Chris
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wow . EC didn't call up chief inspector and fight city hall on that ?


I've got a doozie that I ran into a few weeks ago:
"Do me a favor - don't call me all the way out here on a Friday"

(!)
 
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augie47 said:
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1. no matter what type of outdoor receptacles are available from a deck situated 1 step from grade, there still must be a receptacle installed above "grade = dirt" as opposed above deck=wood
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That is what the code rule says. It is not an "inspector" rule.
 
'08 to me, somewhat clarifys, the receptacle is accessible "while standing at grade". Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see nothing prohibiting it from being "over" deck flooring and not nesessarily over "dirt". I use the outdoor outlet far more when I'm on the deck and if I need to reach it from the grass, it's within reach.
 
As I show up on a job site with a code book in hand, often I hear an electrician in a shaky voice- "Put the book away." I reply, "Would you rather that I make it up as I go along?":D

As an inspector, I will say that all of you are right, that is an inspector that is not willing to site the code section on his deficiency list - is still in training or if not, shouldn't be an inspector. What do they think they are doing to their credibility when they put on their poker face and stare for a while then eventually forced into folding?
 
peter d said:
-Any ceiling mounted box for a light must be the fan rated
-Only one bathroom per 20 amp circuit even when only serving receptacles
-Must have a pullchain light receptacle over the panel
-Must have #4 to a ground rod
-Every non-counter receptacle in the kitchen must be GFCI protected
-Every circuit checked for voltage drop, and failed if below 5%
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In Wisconsin it is code (Com 16) that all cieling boxes must be fan rated.
 
augie47 said:
'08 to me, somewhat clarifys, the receptacle is accessible "while standing at grade". Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see nothing prohibiting it from being "over" deck flooring and not nesessarily over "dirt". I use the outdoor outlet far more when I'm on the deck and if I need to reach it from the grass, it's within reach.
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Gus,
I agree with you, but CMP 2 does not. You must have access to the required receptacle while standing on the ground.
2-231 Log #1624 NEC-P02 Final Action: Reject
(210.52(E))
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Submitter: James Tente, City of Naperville
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
For a one-family dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that is at
grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible while standing at grade
level and not more than 2.0 m (6 1/2 ft) above grade shall be installed at the
front and back of the dwelling where the dwelling unit is located at grade level
and provided with individual exterior entrance/egress, at least one receptacle
outlet accessible. While standing from on grade level and not more than 2.0 m
(6 1/2 ft) above grade shall be installed. See 210.8(A)(3).
Substantiation: Present language is vague. The interpretation of ?accessible?
can vary greatly and is commonly misinterpreted. The panel statement for 2005
ROP 2-236 (Log #3197) clarifies the meaning of ?accessible? and should be
included in code text for clarity.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The panel reaffirms it?s previous position that ?at grade?
means ?while standing on grade?. See the panel action and statement on
Proposal 2-230.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 11 Negative: 1
Explanation of Negative:
WEBER, R.: The panel should have accepted this proposal as submitted,
when we consider the full range of the persons using the code simplified
language as recommended will solve a lot of confusion of the requirement
being encountered out in the field. The addition of the term ?while standing? at
grade will make it clear that a receptacle installed on an elevated porch, that is
accessible by stairs from grade, would not meet the requirements of section
210.52(E).
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don_resqcapt19 said:
Gus,
I agree with you, but CMP 2 does not. You must have access to the required receptacle while standing on the ground.
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I believe he said it was.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Gus,
I agree with you, but CMP 2 does not. You must have access to the required receptacle while standing on the ground.
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I thought that was what Gus said. If you can reach the receptacle while standing on grade then it is okay that the receptacle is over a deck. The recep. does not need to be over grade, IMO.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I thought that was what Gus said. If you can reach the receptacle while standing on grade then it is okay that the receptacle is over a deck. The recep. does not need to be over grade, IMO.
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I agree .
 
lol...I guess as an inspector I should post a list of what some "Electricians" TRY to get away with.....or what they try to hide or what they grossly get wrong on a daily basis....nah.....better not.
 
radiopet said:
lol...I guess as an inspector I should post a list of what some "Electricians" TRY to get away with.....or what they try to hide or what they grossly get wrong on a daily basis....nah.....better not.
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These would be VERY interesting to hear.
 
iaov said:
In Wisconsin it is code (Com 16) that all cieling boxes must be fan rated.
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I don't think it's a bad rule necessarily, but to enforce it as code without a written rule is just plain wrong. :mad:
 
iaov said:
In Wisconsin it is code (Com 16) that all cieling boxes must be fan rated.
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does that include closets, bathrooms, and hallways? do smoke detectors have to be mounted on fan rated boxes also? that seems pretty stupid and wasteful
 
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