Inspector want separate line for gas dryer

[romex jockey]

I would encourage reading the HB commentary after 210.23A 2 fellas....~RJ~

 

[MAC702]

Yes and Yes. A single receptacle would demand a 20 amp receptacle


210.21 (B) Receptacles.(1) Single Receptacle on an Individual Branch Circuit. A
single receptacle installed on an individual branch circuit shall
have an ampere rating not less than that of the branch circuit.

Thanks. Have never seen it installed that way, but I agree with your interpretation.

 

[infinity]

Would you allow a 15A duplex as the only receptacle on a 20A circuit? Would most AHJs?

As Dennis stated it's code complaint and done every day in kitchens and bathrooms.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I would encourage reading the HB commentary after 210.23A 2 fellas....~RJ~

Why not post it -- latest handbook I have is 2011

 

[MAC702]

I've never seen a kitchen or bathroom with a duplex being the only receptacle on a circuit, but I don't get out much.

EDIT: I guess I've seen dedicated duplexes behind fridges, but again, they've always been a 20A configuration, even though I'm agreeing it looks like Code doesn't require it.

 

[infinity]

I've never seen a kitchen or bathroom with a duplex being the only receptacle on a circuit, but I don't get out much.

Really, you have never seen a bathroom with only one duplex receptacle?

 

[MAC702]

Really, you have never seen a bathroom with only one duplex receptacle?

I didn't say that. I said its duplex being the only one on the circuit.

 

[infinity]

OK fair enough, the code is clear a single 15 amp duplex receptacle is permitted on a branch circuit even if it's the only device.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I didn't say that. I said its duplex being the only one on the circuit.

I think what infinity was getting at is that some bathroom receptacles are separate circuits with a duplex receptacle

 

[infinity]

I think what infinity was getting at is that some bathroom receptacles are separate circuits with a duplex receptacle

Very common in the work we do on apartments with one bathroom.

 

[romex jockey]

Why not post it -- latest handbook I have is 2011

I would if I could Den....:weeping:~RJ~

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Very common in the work we do on apartments with one bathroom.

We always do the master bathroom in large homes on it's own circuit. Parents get up at the same time as the children and both have hair dryers going.... Doesn't work well so we just make the parents bath receptacle a separate circuit.

 

[packersparky]

I would encourage reading the HB commentary after 210.23A 2 fellas....~RJ~

From the 2014 or the 2017 handbook?

 

[packersparky]

Here it is from the 2014 handbook. I don't see anything that conflicts with what anyone has been saying.

A 15- or 20-ampere branch circuit supplying lighting outlets may
also supply utilization equipment fastened in place, such as a dishwasher
or an air conditioner. The utilization equipment load,
whether direct wired or cord and plug connected, must not exceed
50 percent of the branch-circuit ampere rating (7.5 amperes on a
15-ampere circuit and 10 amperes on a 20-ampere circuit). However,
according to 210.52(B)(2), such fastened-in-place equipment
is not permitted on the small-appliance branch circuits required in
a kitchen, dining room, and so forth.
The requirement does not apply to a branch circuit that supplies
only fastened-in-place utilization equipment. In that case, the
entire rating of the branch circuit can be applied to the utilization
equipment. For example, a 20-ampere branch circuit dedicated to
supplying a waste disposer and a dishwasher is not restricted to
either one of the appliances not exceeding 50 percent
(10 amperes) of the branch-circuit rating although the combined
load of the two appliances cannot exceed 20 amperes.

 

[LarryFine]

In other words, if either laundry appliance is considered fastened in place, so would be the other; thus, they can share one circuit. If neither is so fastened, they still can.

Added:​ The consideration of being fastened may be connections. The washer has supply and drain, the dryer has venting, so they both either are or are not fastened in place.

 

[packersparky]

In other words, if either laundry appliance is considered fastened in place, so would be the other; thus, they can share one circuit. If neither is so fastened, they still can.

Added:​ The consideration of being fastened may be connections. The washer has supply and drain, the dryer has venting, so they both either are or are not fastened in place.

:thumbsup:

 

[JFletcher]

In other words, if either laundry appliance is considered fastened in place, so would be the other; thus, they can share one circuit. If neither is so fastened, they still can.

Added:​ The consideration of being fastened may be connections. The washer has supply and drain, the dryer has venting, so they both either are or are not fastened in place.

Except that, by convention or code, you cannot secure a washer in place by its power cord, nor its fill lines, drain, etc.

A dryer is not fastened in place by its power cord or hose.

Both of these utilization equipment can be moved without undoing any fasteners.

A dishwasher is usually fastened in place if by nothing else than the two little tiny screws that connect the top plate to the countertop. Ditto garbage disposals with the band clamp.

Someone above mentioned individual branch circuits. By definition such a circuit can only supply one utilization equipment.

Eta: I completely agree with the handbook commentary. in the aforementioned case of the dishwasher and garbage disposal, neither can be on the small appliance Branch circuits, and as long as their combined load does exceed 20 amps, one could be two amps and the other could be 18. There is no requirement in 210.23 (A)(2) for equipment fastened in place to not exceed 50% of the branch circuit rating when another fastened in place load is used.

 

[romex jockey]

Eta: I completely agree with the handbook commentary

Cuts to the chase for me....

as to the OP, I would point out the 210.23 EX to the AHJ.

anecdotally, I've had quite a few write ups for the main rule, ignoring the applicable EX


~RJ~

 

[sameguy]

If you have an unbalanced load in the washer/ dryer and it makes the unit move is it fastened down, tapcons?

 

[480sparky]

Move the electrical, water, drain and vent connections so far away that every cord, hose and duct is stretched to it's absolute limit. That will then make it 'fastened in place' because moving either will cause something to become disconnected.