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Micksbroke

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1st. bedroom on right
I have an inspector that said " i must have a recep behind the door of a bedroom because there are two ft of wall space"????
I said Not usible...They said "usible not in code."
I said spaced first recep 6' from door...They said " 2' rule over rides."????

2nd bedroom on left
entrance to switches on right...in closet wall appox 18in deep then turn corner for 8in.
They said " need one there as well".????
No room on front side due to double studs for corner and door of closet so below switches.... in entrance way????

NOT SERIOUS RIGHT
210.52(A) is no help on this fight!!
 
The inspector is correct, any wall space 2' or greater in a bedroom requires a receptacle in a dwelling unit. Think of this a different way - when the occupant moves in, these receptacles may become the only one available to run the vacuum cleaner. :)

Welcome to the forum. :cool:
 
Micksbroke said:
1st. bedroom on right
I have an inspector that said " i must have a recep behind the door of a bedroom because there are two ft of wall space"????
I said Not usible...They said "usible not in code."
I said spaced first recep 6' from door...They said " 2' rule over rides."????
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I agree with the inspector, you must count the space behind the door.

Micksbroke said:
2nd bedroom on left
entrance to switches on right...in closet wall appox 18in deep then turn corner for 8in.
They said " need one there as well".????
No room on front side due to double studs for corner and door of closet so below switches.... in entrance way????

NOT SERIOUS RIGHT
210.52(A) is no help on this fight!!
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I am not sure I am following you but the NEC dose not require any particular location for bedroom wall switches.
 
This is one instance where a photo would help. I read the OP 3 times and am still confused. :rolleyes:
 
In Tennessee's amendments to the 08 Code, the wall space (for receptacle placement) begins at the edge of the door with it fully opened.

Good idea.:)

steve
 
The door on the bedroom is not required to be there. What if it is a pocket door? What if there is a curtain (of beads). Amending this is fine, but did they cover all the bases??
 
hillbilly said:
In Tennessee's amendments to the 08 Code, the wall space (for receptacle placement) begins at the edge of the door with it fully opened.

Good idea.:)

steve
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I may be the only one, but I do not like this state ammendment and still measure from the door opening when I space my receptacles. Like George said earlier, it may be the only receptacle not covered up for a vacuum or something.

Also some people will say they thought the door was going to swing this way and then the GC changed it so now their receptacles are too far away, etc. etc.
 
Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.
The way to avoid any conflict is to start your measurement from the corner where the door hinges and place the first receptacle 6' off the corner.

The way that I interpret this amendment, if you install a receptacle behind the (opened) door, say 2 feet out from the corner, and then space the next one 12' further along the wall, you would be in violation, since you would have a space that's 10 feet wide without a receptacle if you count the edge of the open door as the start point......make any sense?
That may not be the case, but upon first reading, that's the way it sounds.

steve
 
I knew an old electrician that used to argue that that area was "hallway" because it was in the path of travel going into the room.
 
Sounds like hillbilly is understanding my delima, When i started in the trade 15years ago and all things i've done since has been 6' from door jam then 12' on around.
I haven't had this problem with any one but Putnam Co. from Gainesville to Tampa. Thousands of apartments , and houses.
If 2' rule was to supercede the 6'...then we wouold have receps every 4'...
 
Micksbroke said:
Sounds like hillbilly is understanding my delima, When i started in the trade 15years ago and all things i've done since has been 6' from door jam then 12' on around.
I haven't had this problem with any one but Putnam Co. from Gainesville to Tampa. Thousands of apartments , and houses.
If 2' rule was to supercede the 6'...then we wouold have receps every 4'...
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My understanding has always been what was commonly referred to as "the 6 foot, 12 foot rule".

The moment you walked into the bedroom you would measure from the latch side of the door and within 6 ft place a receptacle outlet then measure along the unbroken wall space to 12 ft and place another receptacle outlet. This meant that anywhere along the wall line a lamp with a 6 ft cord could reach an outlet without using an extension cord. Anytime the wall line was broken, say for a closet, or another door, the rule would start over. And as long as you ended up on the hinge side of the bedroom door within 6 feet, you were good to go. :)
 
Micksbroke said:
Sounds like hillbilly is understanding my delima, When i started in the trade 15years ago and all things i've done since has been 6' from door jam then 12' on around.
I haven't had this problem with any one but Putnam Co. from Gainesville to Tampa. Thousands of apartments , and houses.
If 2' rule was to supercede the 6'...then we wouold have receps every 4'...
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Putnam County, lived here my whole life. I am a pretty good drive from Florida, what brought you up this far?


I don't 100 percent follow your discription in your first post. So I am not sure if I agree with you or the inspector. IMHO neither the "6' rule" or the "2' rule" supercedes each other they are for unrelated situations.
 
wbalsam1 said:
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My understanding has always been what was commonly referred to as "the 6 foot, 12 foot rule".

The moment you walked into the bedroom you would measure from the latch side of the door and within 6 ft place a receptacle outlet then measure along the unbroken wall space to 12 ft and place another receptacle outlet. This meant that anywhere along the wall line a lamp with a 6 ft cord could reach an outlet without using an extension cord. Anytime the wall line was broken, say for a closet, or another door, the rule would start over. And as long as you ended up on the hinge side of the bedroom door within 6 feet, you were good to go. :)
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That about sums it up. Just add any wall space 2 ft wide or more needs a receptacle outlet, this sometimes gets missed when you have a door that when open all the way has the closet the end of it.
 
Thats Putnam Co. FL. C3PO.

And i understand its been that way for while, but find me where the rule is you start 6' from door?
210.52 A 1 doesn't say you start 6' from an opening but yet thats what we've alway done.
 
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