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2020 code has a requirement for a disconnect for a fused disconnect.
Is this Dangerous?
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electrofelon
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I admit it took me a minute to see what was wrong, I was looking way to hard. I must have been subconsciously mesmerized by the tape job 
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They did use a lot of tape.I admit it took me a minute to see what was wrong, I was looking way to hard. I must have been subconsciously mesmerized by the tape job
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- Connecticut
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The fuses aren't "at the secondary." They're downstream from the secondary.
oldsparky52
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So, curious, would you replace the conductors or splice them in that disconnect to extend them to the correct lugs? I think I would splice them (does that make me a hack?).
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- Tennessee NEC:2017
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Are you guys saying the disconnect on the left should have the conductors reversed, meaning top goes where bottom ones are and vice-versa? Or the cabinet flipped around?
gadfly56
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Yes, that's the idea, although I don't think you could simply flip the cabinet. Isn't there a requirement that "ON" be "up"?
kwired
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"next size up" rule only would apply to the load side of the fuses here
the non protected secondary conductors would need to have ampacity not less than 400 here
winnie
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It seems silly to me that the next size up rule does not apply here. The difference in ampacity vs short circuit protection by the primary fuses would seem to make little difference, and the secondary fuses provide just fine overload protection.
I am far more concerned about the line vs load side disconnect issue.
-Jon
I am far more concerned about the line vs load side disconnect issue.
-Jon
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I would probably look at replacing the fusible switch with a breaker, and provide properly sized conductors from the transformer secondary.
oldsparky52
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Yea, I did forget the conductors were too small. Well, I still think the most cost effective way to do it would be to use that switch, splice the load conductors so they reach the proper lugs and install (like you said) properly sized conductors from the transformer secondary.
oldsparky52
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- Wilmington, NC USA
If the load allows it, could they replace the 400-amp fuses with 350-amp fuses and the wire size be okay?
Me too!I admit it took me a minute to see what was wrong, I was looking way to hard. I must have been subconsciously mesmerized by the tape job
petersonra
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- Northern illinois
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- engineer
This is one of those convoluted code requirements that makes zero sense but the issue is the conductors from the transformer to the fuses.
ptonsparky
Tom
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winnie
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- Electric motor research
Just turn the AC to less than 68F
ptonsparky
Tom
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Less than 68F...to increase conductor ampacity.
winnie
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- Electric motor research
Damn, I could have sworn that the 'ambient temperature correction factors' went below 21C. But the tables only get us to 399A for 500kcmil
-Jon
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