Island and peninsula receptacle location

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I have had to put two under an over hang in wire mold, the Granite guys just used their epoxy to attach it to the underside of the granite, that stuff will hold a battle ship, and it was the only way to not void the warranty on the top.

I always feed any receptacle to a island or peninsula from the load side of a GFCI receipt, that way you never have to try to get a GFCI in a small box or in this case shallow wire mold box.
 
I think I will try this

I think I will try this

I have had to put two under an over hang in wire mold, the Granite guys just used their epoxy to attach it to the underside of the granite, that stuff will hold a battle ship, and it was the only way to not void the warranty on the top.

I always feed any receptacle to a island or peninsula from the load side of a GFCI receipt, that way you never have to try to get a GFCI in a small box or in this case shallow wire mold box.

I think this will be best I agree with gfi placement else where one of the houses I did not wire the other non electrician left the island on own own circuit crawl is all spray foamed. I'm going to put gfi breaker or blank face in crawl/storage.
 
I am not commenting on the merits of placing a receptacle under the counter close to the edge when the overhang exceeds 6", I am only pointing out the code requirements.




210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets.

(B) Small Appliances.


(5) Receptacle Outlet Location.



Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in
(1) or (2), receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be
mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop.
Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance
with this exception shall not be located where the
countertop extends
more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its
support base.

Code wise it does not matter how close to the edge you mount the receptacle, all that matters is the overhang distance.

You could place an receptacle under the counter close to the edge but that receptacle will not count as the required one to the NEC.
 
I am not commenting on the merits of placing a receptacle under the counter close to the edge when the overhang exceeds 6", I am only pointing out the code requirements.






Code wise it does not matter how close to the edge you mount the receptacle, all that matters is the overhang distance.

You could place an receptacle under the counter close to the edge but that receptacle will not count as the required one to the NEC.

Iwire, highvolts states that the counter top is 10" over hang. So by your reading of 210.52

that since the counter is more than 6" from its support base (10") any recptacle located

beyond 6" is in violation ? I understand the words but what is the reasoning ?
 
I certainly would not suggest mounting your recept underneath and close to the edge and then install a support for the overhang as someone could remove this support after inspection.:angel:
 
I am not commenting on the merits of placing a receptacle under the counter close to the edge when the overhang exceeds 6", I am only pointing out the code requirements.






Code wise it does not matter how close to the edge you mount the receptacle, all that matters is the overhang distance.

You could place an receptacle under the counter close to the edge but that receptacle will not count as the required one to the NEC.

I never read it closely but you have a good point, and I have to agree, that is the way it is stated, I don't think it was the intent but the words speak for themselves:ashamed1:

At least the inspector liked my idea:happyyes: and so did the granite installers
 
I've been biting my tongue on this discussion for days because of how poorly worded the NEC is in this case. Even though a receptacle could be placed within 1-1/2" of the edge of the countertop, because that portion of the countertop overhangs more than 6", it would not be permitted. It would meet the intent of the code, but fail by the wording of the code.

Even mounting a doghouse under the counter that faces the front of the cabinet (toward the direction of the drawers/doors) it would still technically fail. And that is what makes the wording so rediculous.

I certainly would not suggest mounting your recept underneath and close to the edge and then install a support for the overhang as someone could remove this support after inspection.:angel:
This is absolutely brilliant, because it reveals the fallacy of the NEC wording. Simply instal a corbel (decorative gusset) behind the receptacle location, and it suddenly becomes perfectly legal. No portion of the countertop surrounding the receptacle is more than 6" from a support. Technically, the same could be done all the way around the island or peninsula. Put a corbel within 6" of a receptacle and the receptacle can be counted for countertop usage. Unfortunately, the latter actually defeats the purpose of the NEC by using its own wording against it.
 
Iwire, highvolts states that the counter top is 10" over hang. So by your reading of 210.52

that since the counter is more than 6" from its support base (10") any recptacle located

beyond 6" is in violation ? I understand the words but what is the reasoning ?

I will try differently. :)

He can place a receptacle pretty much anywhere he wants ... BUT ... if he wants to count as the required receptacle he cannot put it anywhere under the 10" overhang.

He could put one under the overhang but he would have add another one to cover the required receptacle.
 
I've been biting my tongue on this discussion for days because of how poorly worded the NEC is in this case. Even though a receptacle could be placed within 1-1/2" of the edge of the countertop, because that portion of the countertop overhangs more than 6", it would not be permitted. It would meet the intent of the code, but fail by the wording of the code.

You do not know it would meet the intent of the code, none of us do.

The CMP members may not want a receptacle where chairs / stools are likely to be with an overhang.



Even mounting a doghouse under the counter that faces the front of the cabinet (toward the direction of the drawers/doors) it would still technically fail. And that is what makes the wording so rediculous.

Ridiculous to you but it may make sense to the CMP, we do not know.

This is absolutely brilliant, because it reveals the fallacy of the NEC wording. Simply instal a corbel (decorative gusset) behind the receptacle location, and it suddenly becomes perfectly legal. No portion of the countertop surrounding the receptacle is more than 6" from a support. Technically, the same could be done all the way around the island or peninsula. Put a corbel within 6" of a receptacle and the receptacle can be counted for countertop usage. Unfortunately, the latter actually defeats the purpose of the NEC by using its own wording against it.

Try that in the real world, see how far you get. :)
 
He can place a receptacle pretty much anywhere he wants ... BUT ... if he wants to count as the required receptacle he cannot put it anywhere under the 10" overhang. He could put one under the overhang but he would have add another one to cover the required receptacle.
I agree that a receptacle under a 10" overhang cannot be counted as the required receptacle, even if it is mounted within 6" of the edge.

But without seeking to reopen a previous debate on the other half of your assertion (i.e., that you could mount "extra" receptacles below the overhang), I will simply mention that a case can be made for the interpretation that no receptacle at all can go below a 10" overhang. And if we were to be allowed to bring potential CPM intent into the discussion, it would be reasonable to infer that a deeper overhang is more likely to be used for bar stool seating, and that brings the risk of knees bumping into cords.
 
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