Island with now plug location-What do you guys do?

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Sparkyrob11 said:
How about we do what we can, and people can start being accountable for what happens in their homes instead of blaming me, you, inspectors, and the NEC for their accidents. Livin' a pipe dream, I know.
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I dont think the NEC is on your side considering the new requirement for Tamper Resistance receptacles... :roll:
 
stickboy1375 said:
I dont think the NEC is on your side considering the new requirement for Tamper Resistance receptacles... :roll:
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I think Tamper resistant receptacles are a good idea. I think they can save lives. I guess I'm thinking of a person who'll sue because (same person, different scenario's) :


A cord is stretched from the countertop to and island, and When Billy comes running through the kitchen, Junior on the floor gets a Cuisinart flying at him at terminal velocity.

or

A cord is hanging down off the island countertop, and Junior still on the floor, grabs a hold of the old wafflemaker and gives it a yank.


And in peoples minds this is the NEC's fault? Or the Electrician, or inspector for making them have a receptacle their? Seems like suing the Fed for putting in all those freeways that kill people in automobiles every year.
 
I have made a good living wiring kitchens. Thousands of them. The designers NEVER consider the receptacle locations for anything and I don't really expect them to.

What I like to do is use my experience, knowledge, and creativity to get the job done. Most of the methods to accomplish what needs to be done in this case have already been mentioned in the thread so I'll leave it alone.

My point is that the customer does not understand, or care what needs to be done or why and who is responsible to make sure it can happen. They just know that if they need a receptacle the electrician has to do it. Rather than just saying "Not my problem, call the cabinet guy back" I preffer to work with everybody to make it happen. Give them the options and show show them what can be done. This makes you look alot better than just passing the buck.

This is of course providing that a recptacle is going to be installed at all. There have been many who do not want a recptacle on the island or peninsula and I don't install them. I just tell them what is required and make sure that they understand that THEY will be there for the inspection and they can fight with the inspector.

And yes, I sleep fine at night.
 
electricmanscott said:
I have made a good living wiring kitchens. Thousands of them. The designers NEVER consider the receptacle locations for anything and I don't really expect them to.

What I like to do is use my experience, knowledge, and creativity to get the job done. Most of the methods to accomplish what needs to be done in this case have already been mentioned in the thread so I'll leave it alone.

My point is that the customer does not understand, or care what needs to be done or why and who is responsible to make sure it can happen. They just know that if they need a receptacle the electrician has to do it. Rather than just saying "Not my problem, call the cabinet guy back" I preffer to work with everybody to make it happen. Give them the options and show show them what can be done. This makes you look alot better than just passing the buck.

This is of course providing that a recptacle is going to be installed at all. There have been many who do not want a recptacle on the island or peninsula and I don't install them. I just tell them what is required and make sure that they understand that THEY will be there for the inspection and they can fight with the inspector.

And yes, I sleep fine at night.
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And then you get the call to come back and add one.The inspector is not to blame here.He must inforce the nec.Seems to me that a cabinet maker could and would learn about rules that effect his trade.He does not need to buy a copy of nec.Let him spend dollars to fix his poor design.

Would a 2" hole in top of counter top be legal ?Not saying customer will use it but then if JR gets hurt your off the hook.People sue for anything and everything today,and often win cases that they should not.I put the blame on the nec for making a rule without thinking it out fully.I am not holding my breath on seeing this changed.Personally if its me and there was no receptacle i would plug the xxx in on a counter space that has receptacle rather than get a cord.
 
electricmanscott said:
I just tell them what is required and make sure that they understand that THEY will be there for the inspection and they can fight with the inspector.
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Good post scott,:smile:

And it is a losing battle when The Inspector shows them the section number and that it has been adopted by the AHJ and now it is the law so to speak. I have dealt with this many times as an EC and and EI.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
And then you get the call to come back and add one.The inspector is not to blame here.He must inforce the nec.Seems to me that a cabinet maker could and would learn about rules that effect his trade.He does not need to buy a copy of nec.Let him spend dollars to fix his poor design.

Would a 2" hole in top of counter top be legal ?Not saying customer will use it but then if JR gets hurt your off the hook.People sue for anything and everything today,and often win cases that they should not.I put the blame on the nec for making a rule without thinking it out fully.I am not holding my breath on seeing this changed.Personally if its me and there was no receptacle i would plug the xxx in on a counter space that has receptacle rather than get a cord.
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And this is the crux of the problem.:mad: Gave my soap box the day off, so that's all I'm gonna say.
 
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