Kidde i2060 and KN-COSM-IB

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I knew about banana peelers...but I don't think I'd use them on NM...LOL...maybe some MV cables or multiple 500's ....but NM? :D That's just crazy man!
 
tallguy said:
I'm beginning to wonder if Marc owns any tool (or antique code book for that matter) that costs less than $200... :wink:
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I'm beginning to wonder if Marc has lost his mind...LOL....what's with the cinder block sized swiss army knife...and a banana peeler for NM.

I can only wonder what the next humongous tool will be for some cheesey NM :D
 
Hey, I use a Stanley 99 on rouind NM cable. My point was that you could use the Banana Peeler if you wanted to use a tool. I don't own that big knife, though. That pic has been floating around the net for some time. I'm not even sure it exists for real. Probably a nice PhotoShop job.
 
For all those who really want to know, Marc is a computer generated person designed by Mike Holt and company. His purpose is to answer the arcane issues so Mike does not have to spend much time here...:cool: ;)
P.S. He is the second version...Iwire is the first prototype.
 
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Reply from Kidde

When I started this post, I used an edited version of an email I had sent to Kidde. Here is their response:

Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:01:29 -0400

Hello Mr. Celtic.

In reference to your email, if all 8 alarms work
individually but do not talk to each other, the fact that it is all 8
would indicate that this would be a problem with the wiring. The most
likely culprits would be:

1) There might be AC power coming over the red interconnect wire, either
due to the red wire being hooked into the circuit breaker or a cross
between the red interconnect and black hot wire. The red interconnect
wire is a wire that only runs from alarm to alarm to alarm and is only
to allow the units to transmit between 8-10 DC volts in an alarm signal.
If there is more than 10 volts DC power or if there is ANY AC power over
the red wire, this will both mask the alarm signal and damage the units.


2) Had there been any AC power over the red interconnect wire even for a
minute, the AC power would short out the interconnection circuits of the
alarms, permanently keeping them from ever interconnecting with another
alarm.

To test this, a good idea would be to use a volt meter and test both
between the red and WHITE wire and to test between the black and WHITE
wire.

NOTE: NEVER TEST BETWEEN THE RED AND BLACK WIRE.

There should be around 110, 120 volts AC between the black and white
wire, and there should be NO POWER between the red and white wire except
when the alarms are going off. When the alarms are going off, there
should be between 8-10 DC volts between the red and white wire.

Another good idea would be to take down one of the wiring harnesses for
testing. For this test, you will need one alarm, to have the batteries
in the alarm, and a separate good 9V battery. Run the alarm on battery
alone and plug the wiring harness into the alarm. Put the red wire to
the positive of the 9v battery, which is the smaller round terminal, and
put the white wire to the negative, or square terminal, of the 9v
battery. This SHOULD simulate a smoke alarm and set off the smoke
alarm. If it doesn't, the alarm is malfunctioning and probably has been
damaged at some point by ac power over the red interconnect wire.
If this is true for ALL of the alarms, then it could be considered
definite that at some point, all of the alarms were exposed to AC power
over the red wire.

If these alarms are damaged due to the wiring, these units are then
permanently damaged and you will need to buy new ones.

If it is not this problem, then it would have to be a problem with the
red interconnect wire. You could test this by putting DC power to the
red wire, by hooking a 9V battery to the red wire and the white wire at
one location, and then testing at different locations to see if you are
reading that 9 volts of power. TURN OFF THE AC POWER TO DO THIS, TO
AVOID ANY DANGER OF THE BLACK WIRE, AND THE AC POWER, TOUCHING THE
BATTERY.


Thanks,

Mr. Kidde
Customer Service Hotline
Kidde Fire and Safety
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I had this happen to me once about 5 years ago, after about a day of troubleshooting, I found where a metal staple had been shot into my 14/3 nm
effectively shorting red to ground, disabling interconnection.
This was an accident done by the insulation people in the attic.
 
celtic said:
Truthfully, we score the sheath with a knife, then "crack" the jacket. Hopefully, you don't penetrate deep enough into insulation to cause any situations at a later date.
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That's my style.

One of the guys I learned from used one of these:
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When he got a new one the first thing he would do is go sit at the curb and unsharpen it. After 5 minutes against concrete it wouldn't be sharp enough to cut butter, but he could strip like you wouldn't believe. I never saw him nick a single wire.
 
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