Kitchen Circuits for New Home

[jeff48356]

I'm wiring a new single-story home (1632 sq ft). The panel will be located in the walkout basement on the right side of the home because the padmount transformer is located on that side of the property. However, the kitchen is located on the opposite side of the house. The wall with the microwave and SABC's is a 70' run from the panel. Would this be an issue for these circuits? Don't they normally design the plans so that the panel is near the kitchen in order to make cable runs as short as possible?

 

[infinity]

IMO 70' isn't that long. If you're concerned you can use larger conductors or put a sub-panel right next to the kitchen.

 

[hbiss]

70' isn't that long unless you have a bunch of home runs like for a kitchen. I agree, put a sub panel close to the kitchen and run one feeder.

-Hal

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

VD shouldn’t be an issue at 70’, but multiple HRs might raise the price, both material and labor wise, so like the other said, price out a MLO panel and feeder.

 

[Joethemechanic]

Subpanel always seemed like a lot less work to me for a kitchen like that. And when when you have a wife and kids they are going to plug too many things into the same circuit. If the panel is in the kitchen, it seems more likely that they can handle the tripped breaker on their own. And in my opinion it's just good planning for future loads

 

[nizak]

Subpanel always seemed like a lot less work to me for a kitchen like that. And when when you have a wife and kids they are going to plug too many things into the same circuit. If the panel is in the kitchen, it seems more likely that they can handle the tripped breaker on their own. And in my opinion it's just good planning for future loads

Subpanel always seemed like a lot less work to me for a kitchen like that. And when when you have a wife and kids they are going to plug too many things into the same circuit. If the panel is in the kitchen, it seems more likely that they can handle the tripped breaker on their own. And in my opinion it's just good planning for future loads

Exactly. Once you string a 6/3 or 8/3 Cu NM for a range or oven that distance you could have run a #1 AL feeder for the same cost or less.

 

[LarryFine]

Agreed on the sub-panel. Not just for kitchen loads, but almost anything at the far end of the house.

A single feeder will exhibit much less total voltage drop due to load diversity than individual circuits.

 

[Greg1707]

Agreed on the sub-panel. Not just for kitchen loads, but almost anything at the far end of the house.

A single feeder will exhibit much less total voltage drop due to load diversity than individual circuits.

If the entire kitchen, including electric range, is supplied by a subpanel, how is the load calculated for the feeder?

 

[hbiss]

Same as you would for that portion of a service. Usually, a 100A ML panel will more than suffice.

-Hal

 

[Little Bill]

One sticking point is the HO may not want a panel anywhere near the kitchen.

 

[ptonsparky]

One sticking point is the HO may not want a panel anywhere near the kitchen.

MDSW would wonder how she was going to hide or cover it, even if I insisted it needed to be there.

 

[Little Bill]

MDSW would wonder how she was going to hide or cover it, even if I insisted it needed to be there.

I've had customers that didn't want any receptacles on the kitchen counters. I couldn't imagine what they would say if I wanted to put a panel anywhere but the garage or basement. Certainly not near the kitchen.

 

[nizak]

Put it in the basement under the kitchen. I would think you would still be extremely close to where the circuits are feeding

 

[Joethemechanic]

Growing up my grandmother could have cared less if there was a row of Bulldog fused discos on the wall as long as it worked. That wasn't the case, but I knew how she thought. Great depression people were different

 

[James L]

Ditto

 

[qcroanoke]

I've had customers that didn't want any receptacles on the kitchen counters. I couldn't imagine what they would say if I wanted to put a panel anywhere but the garage or basement. Certainly not near the kitchen.

Those are the ones that want a showcase kitchen and never intend to use it.......

 

[suemarkp]

If you cant put a subpanel close to the kitchen, you could do the 70' run with 10-2 and transition to 12-2 at the first box.

 

[retirede]

If you cant put a subpanel close to the kitchen, you could do the 70' run with 10-2 and transition to 12-2 at the first box.

Since 2 SABCs are required anyway, I’d run a 12-3 MWBC.

 

[ramsy]

(Home) run with 10-2 and transition to 12-2 at the first box.

Trouble with #10 for SABC
* #10 solid tends to break devices when shoved in box
* #10 stranded Romex is not stocked on store shelves
* Residential grade devices are not listed beyond #12
* GC rivals will soon back stab #16 Romex into #14 devices

 

[ptonsparky]

Trouble with #10 for SABC
* #10 solid tends to break devices when shoved in box
* #10 stranded Romex is not stocked on store shelves
* Residential grade devices are not listed beyond #12
* GC rivals will soon back stab #16 Romex into #14 devices

They make boxes big enough and pigtail it out with 12.
You must have some hellacious rivals in good old California. You must have them all because I’ve never seen any of the type of work you complain about.