Kitchen Counter Receptacles

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Steviechia2 said:
To satisfy the code I think we all agree there needs to be 2 circuits, but if the inspector requires 2 circuits here thats just dumb on a 15" counter between a sink and a grill!
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To suggest the inspector can, should, or has the authority to arbitrarily dismiss a code requirement as 'dumb" is to suggest that he also has the authority to make up requirements for what he sees as "dumb" omissions in the code.

The code is as binding on the inspector as it is on the contractor. I recommend that we keep it that way, and work toward changing the rules we think need revamping. At least we know what to expect.
 
ASG said:
We are currently designing a space that has a very small kitchenette area. The counter space is so small that only one area has a wall space over one foot that requires a counter receptacle. Underneath the counter is a receptacle that serves a small 115V hot plate.

Are 2 counter receptacles required to meet 210.52(B) even if only one receptacle is required per the counter space section of the code?

Does a receptacle that serves a counter top appliance count as an appliance circuit for this section if it is not above the counter?
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After re-reading your post, I don't believe you have a "Kitchen" and as such do not need to meet the requirements for 2 SA circuits. Since you have a "hot plate" and no stove or oven, built in, what you have is a "wet bar". The difference is microwaves shut off automatically, and the hot plate is not part of the fixed appliances. But a built in range or cook top could be left on indefinitely. The presence of a sink, refrigerator, and microwave doesn't make it a kitchen.
 
david luchini said:
Isn't the hot plate a fixed appliance in the OP?



He describes the hot plate as breaking the continuous counter space, and fed by a dedicated receptacle below the counter.
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You may be right, it is still a good idea to keep in mind how to define what makes a kitchen. The same as defining a bedroom, AFCI, it can have an effect of the profit margin.
 
code calls for two 20 amp appliances circuits.
Suggestions:
Install plug mold on bottom of upper cabs on a GFI breaker, (people love this)
Install the other one on the counter and you could always install one on the side of penninsula or island as long as the counter does not hang over more than 6".

You definatley have options.
 
I missed the part that says there are 2 spaces, it looks to me as if there is only 1 space. 2 GFI recepts. in a 2-gang box is the way to go. Plugmold is nice, but it is a royal pain in the butt to mount under cabinets and would take a lot more time. (and we all know time is $$$) As far a using 4 plugs: coffee pot, waffle iron, cell phone charger and blender for frozen margaritas. (some of the people might still be awake and going strong!):grin:
 
LarryFine said:
To suggest the inspector can, should, or has the authority to arbitrarily dismiss a code requirement as 'dumb" is to suggest that he also has the authority to make up requirements for what he sees as "dumb" omissions in the code.

The code is as binding on the inspector as it is on the contractor. I recommend that we keep it that way, and work toward changing the rules we think need revamping. At least we know what to expect.
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I totally agree! That was stated just as it should be practiced.;)
 
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