Kitchen GFCI

The receptacle is required to be AFCI protected so why not just change the breaker to a DF?

We stopped using GFCI receptacles in the kitchen and anywhere else GFCI and AFCI is required. DF breakers are less expensive than and AFCI breaker and a GFCI receptacle. Labor is less not having to install a GFCI receptacle. Much easier to guide homeowner through resetting a breaker than trying to have them figure out which device is tripped.
That's the trend we're seeing here as well. I just did an inspection where every single breaker was DF. Raised my eyebrows, but that's not my business. Meets code minimum, sign off, done.
 
I assume you mean the 2017 NEC as there is not 2019 NEC.
210.8(A)(7) in the 2017 will required GFCI protection for this receptacle because it is within 6' of the sink.
Correct. The rule up to and including 2017 was serving countertops OR within 6ft of a sink, not AND.

As of 2020 that is all irrelevant because all outlets in kitchens must now be GFCI protected.
 
Correct. The rule up to and including 2017 was serving countertops OR within 6ft of a sink, not AND.

As of 2020 that is all irrelevant because all outlets in kitchens must now be GFCI protected.
I don't see that in the 2022 California Electrical Code (based off of 2020 NEC). 210.8(A) lists 11 conditions that require GFCI protection. I don't see "all kitchen outlets", items 6 and 7 state:

(6) Kitchens - where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces
(7) Sinks - where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) from the top inside edge of the bowl of the sink

Is this a change upcoming in the next cycle?
 
I don't see that in the 2022 California Electrical Code (based off of 2020 NEC). 210.8(A) lists 11 conditions that require GFCI protection. I don't see "all kitchen outlets", items 6 and 7 state:

(6) Kitchens - where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces
(7) Sinks - where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) from the top inside edge of the bowl of the sink

Is this a change upcoming in the next cycle?
The bold text was deleted in the 2023 code.
 
I assume you mean the 2017 NEC as there is not 2019 NEC.
210.8(A)(7) in the 2017 will required GFCI protection for this receptacle because it is within 6' of the sink.
I don't know what cycle removed the verbiage "without passing through a door", when referring to the 6' rule of a sink. That's when it caused some controversy with receptacles inside cabinets or in hallways just outside of bathrooms.
 
Yes. so now it's just kitchens and not just those that serve countertops. Time to start stocking up on those 2-pole 50 amp GFCI breakers for you range receptacles. This AFCI/GFCI requirement is getting way out of hand. Time to get the manufacturers off the CMP.
Maybe so, but no one interest group, such as manufacturers, can make up more that 1/3 of the membership of a CMP, and it takes a 2/3s majority to change a code rule.
 
I don't know what cycle removed the verbiage "without passing through a door", when referring to the 6' rule of a sink. That's when it caused some controversy with receptacles inside cabinets or in hallways just outside of bathrooms.
That language was removed in the 2020 code.
 
Yes. so now it's just kitchens and not just those that serve countertops. Time to start stocking up on those 2-pole 50 amp GFCI breakers for you range receptacles. This AFCI/GFCI requirement is getting way out of hand. Time to get the manufacturers off the CMP.
The 2020 already required the range receptacle to be GFCI protected.
 
I erred when I said 2020, it was 2023 where they made it all outlets in a kitchen. This is a rundown of the 2023 changes.
 
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So in 2017, even if the microwave receptacle was within 6' of the sink, because it was behind a hinged cabinet door it would not have to be GFCI protected.
That is correct. Even receptacles under the sink, but behind cabinet doors did not need GFCI protection.

I don't think the panel wanted to include cabinet doors in the 2017 language, but they did. Then they removed all doors and doorways in the 2020 code.

I think that the correct change would to have been to replace "doors" with "personal doors or doorways" That would remove the issue with receptacles outside of a bathroom that are within 6' from the bathroom sink having to have GFCI protection.
 
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