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Originally posted by marc deschenes:
Does the NEC language actually say that the required receptacle can't be in the cabinet??
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Interesting thought.

It could get ugly when stuff keeps spilling down the hole.

How about something like this cut into the top?

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By Marc: Does the NEC language actually say that the required receptacle can't be in the cabinet??
It just has to be within 12" of the top
I'm not sure having to open a cabinet door would render it not "readily accessible"
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Not exactly but if you look at 210.52(C)(5) exception and read real close you will find that mounting a receptacle below the counter is only an exception, only allowed if there is no place to mount one above the counter.
It is not an excuse to a home owner who doesn't want to see receptacles in the wall or back splash.
If there is a place they can be mounted, then they have to go above the counter.
 
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Bob I like that , is it it's own box as well ? Could you tell us who makes it??

Hurk , I think in the original post , he has a flat countertop no wall space, and I think If I read it correctly no side or face space as well.
 
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Is that a problem?

15 amp outlets are allowed on 20 amp circuits.

I guess it could be hassle if you got a jumbo mixer with a 20 amp cord cap. :D

Actually my post said how about something like this?

There are many different ones made for conference room tables, you can even get them with data ports.
 
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hello guys:

sorry to bother with this long windined disscussion here but i kinda get some idea what is going on but the question i dont rember if i did see a photo or a drawing how it the countertop island with mesusrement on it maybe it will clear up some confuseing around here.

please do excuse my way to try to understand this matter. i know i feel very sticky with this sisuation i ran into before but i want to understand it more clear before it get out of the hand and avoid any more misunderstood here.

thanks for your time

Merci Marc
 
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They have some really nice products,including the counter top mounted hide away receps great color selection to match todays corian and granite tops.
I looked but couldn`t find where the 15 a supply cord is not allowed on the 20 SA circuit.
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
Is that a problem?

15 amp outlets are allowed on 20 amp circuits.

I guess it could be hassle if you got a jumbo mixer with a 20 amp cord cap. :D

Actually my post said how about something like this?

There are many different ones made for conference room tables, you can even get them with data ports.
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I think if one were to use one of these types of devices it would need to be hard wired to meet the requirement ,if it is plugged in, then we still have the original problem of where the NEC allows the required outlet to be.
The ones I have found on line come with an attachment plug.
 
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I think you should get an "air switch" for the hole in the counter top. I have installed them for hot tubs with great success. Check out your local hot tub store or even the big box stores may have them.

Thanks,
Bill
 
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Originally posted by Flyersfan:
I think you should get an "air switch" for the hole in the counter top. I have installed them for hot tubs with great success. Check out your local hot tub store or even the big box stores may have them.

Thanks,
Bill
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How will this help meet the recptacle requirement?
 
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If it is hard wired wouldn`t that alter the ul listing????I know there isn`t a soul here that would think of doing something along that line,
like alter a ul listed method of connection ;) oh yeah and own up to it here.That would be the sacraficial lamb in a lions den. :eek:
 
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A UL label simply says the item met UL Listing requirements when it left the factory. Technically there is nothing you can do in the field to change/invalidate a UL Label. However there are lots of things you can do that might "violate" 110.3(B) by installing and using a listed item in an un-approved manner.
 
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By j_erickson:

Do we even need to slap on the wheels? If it's not screwed down, how is it any different that the kitchen table?
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Great, next code cycle kitchen tables 'll need receptacles. :D
 
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Hey, why not? That way, you could keep electrical serving pieces on the table, and all the food will stay warm. :D
 
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I think I'm back to , no language , when needing to employ the exception, prohibiting the receptacle outlet in the cabinet , not more than 12" from the countertop of course, interpretation.
 
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Originally posted by physis:
By j_erickson:

Do we even need to slap on the wheels? If it's not screwed down, how is it any different that the kitchen table?
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Great, next code cycle kitchen tables 'll need receptacles. :D
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I hope so. I would hate to see someoune want to set up a coffee pot on a table and then use an extension cord! ;)

How about islands built with fancy "legs" instead of cabinetry below?
 
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Actually, by the time the 2011 NEC comes out, the rules about island receptacles will have vanished. By then, extension cords will have been replaced with bluetooth technology. :D
 
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