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frizbeedog said:
I'm going into my kitchen now to make margaritas with the blender
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Please don't waste the Tequila, just put it in a glass straight up. :cool:

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You can keep the salt and lime.
 
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then i would have to say plug is the key word then. so d. alwon would be right by saying anything temporily plugged into the sabc, radio, lighting, would not be a violation. but what about being permitely being powered by the sabc. meaning if the undercab lights being powered through the transformer thats plugged into the sabc be a violation?
 
cloudymacleod said:
then i would have to say plug is the key word then. so d. alwon would be right by saying anything temporily plugged into the sabc, radio, lighting, would not be a violation. but what about being permitely being powered by the sabc. meaning if the undercab lights being powered through the transformer thats plugged into the sabc be a violation?
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I don't have the answer for you. The light trany is still plugged in. Now if it were a direct wired trany then there would be no gray area--- that would be a clear violation.

FWIW, I would think if you installed uc lights and plugged them in a sabc before inspection then you probably would have a hassel on your hand. I would not want to test that scenario.
 
I would say that 210.52(B) Ex.#1 allows this. I see this all the time when I do upgrade work, older homes and not so old.
 
frizbeedog said:
That glass is half full. That's not abuse.
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And the horse was a cartoon and symbolized they way a subject sometimes gets discussed to beyond death around here ,... It should not have been pulled... It is the Freedom of Speech,.. not the freedom from speech . but I digress


guschash said:
I would say that 210.52(B) Ex.#1 allows this. I see this all the time when I do upgrade work, older homes and not so old.
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That exception sends us to another section that has an exception that tell us that the rule is for other than kitchens or bathrooms in lieu of lighting outlets . So if there is a lighting outlet there is nothing to be in "lieu of" If there is not a lighting outlet the exception to 210.70 excludes kitchens so ,..we could not switch a receptacle in lieu of a lighting outlet. ...Does that make any sense:confused:
 
M. D. said:
And the horse was a cartoon and symbolized they way a subject sometimes gets discussed to beyond death around here ,... It should not have been pulled...
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The thread was not electrically related and it was offensive to some (not me) so the decision is easy, it's out of here.

It is the Freedom of Speech
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There is no right of free speech here, it is a private website.
 
I think the ex.1 is telling us if the kitchen has a switch-controlled lighting outlet, then you you can have a switched receptacles besides that switched outlet. But then again ifyou you don't want one you don't have to have one.:)
 
What is the issue? :confused:

Fact 1

The NEC DOES not prohibit switching any or all receptacles in the home.

Fact 2

The NEC does allow a switched receptacle in place of a lighting outlet in some rooms.

Fact 3

The kitchen is not one of those rooms.

Conclusion

The kitchen must always have a switched lighting outlet for the mounting of a Luminaire.

Beyond that you can switch or not switch the kitchen receptacles how ever you want.

It is that simple.
 
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iwire said:
The thread was not electrically related and it was offensive to some (not me) so the decision is easy, it's out of here.



There is no right of free speech here, it is a private website.
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And a glass of booze is related ??? I know read the new signature:)
 
M. D. said:
And a glass of booze is related ???
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No, that post was not, but it is in a thread that is related to the trade so we would not pull the whole thread.

The entire thread in question was not electrically related.
 
The kitchen must always have a switched lighting outlet for the mounting of a Luminaire.

Beyond that you can switch or not switch the kitchen receptacles how ever you want.

It is that simple.
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It should be that simple. :roll: :smile:
 
iwire said:
The entire thread in question was not electrically related.
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Right it was related to this forum and how we smetimes beat a subject,.. even after it has "died" and no good will come from discussing it further ...Whoopie ding
 
This thread is a great example of how threads get off topic for the worse. Stick didn't want to give a reason for switching the outlet, just asked the question. Instead or answering some asked "why". So he throws out a reason off the top of his head, and so many people tell him he can't do something (which he can do) which is pretty much unrelated to the OP. And turn it into 10 pages of bs. It's no wonder I don't get around here as much as I used to.

OK, rant over. Hope I didn't offend everyone.

OK
 
99 and still going...........At least I learned you can switch recpt. outlets, to read the OP for what it actually says and not what I thought I read, and the need to be able to apply critical thinking to simple quesions when it comes to code. Some days I need to put my head where the ill fated critter is laying for it to sink in and still.....just like the jitter-bug, it evades me.......thanks stick, MD, iwire, and all.........:)
 
billsnuff said:
Some days I need to put my head where the ill fated critter is laying for it to sink in and still.....just like the jitter-bug, it evades me.......thanks stick, MD, iwire, and all.........:)
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Yeah discussions are fluid and sometimes there is a diamond among the sand.
 
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