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what does a residential kitchen in a commercial setting count as?
A commercial kitchen, any kitchen in a comm. area is a comm. kitchen.what does a residential kitchen in a commercial setting count as?
Unless the shop has provisions for sleeping I think the AHJ was nuts.i worked on a cabinet shop that had like ten different kitchens installed in the showroom. the ahj treated them as resi kitchens.
I wired a display for a builder that had about 5 kitchens, partial baths. AHJ only made us make one into real usable kithchen. Others simply were appliances with no wires. The receptacles were real. This is wear the inspector must make touch callsi worked on a cabinet shop that had like ten different kitchens installed in the showroom. the ahj treated them as resi kitchens. the customer actually wanted the same so in the end their customer didnt have a problem with all that stuff that wasnt there in the showroom.
what does a residential kitchen in a commercial setting count as?
What is the tough part? :-?I wired a display for a builder that had about 5 kitchens, partial baths. AHJ only made us make one into real usable kithchen. Others simply were appliances with no wires. The receptacles were real. This is wear the inspector must make touch calls
I disagree, the only requirements are for dwelling units, any AHJ requiring that a display in a non-dwelling unit is asking for more then what the NEC requires.This is a question that only the AHJ can answer ... and a common question at that.
In commercial building. Only the 1 kitchen was real ,but they all ran together so other than by color and design would you know where 1 began or stoped. Thankfully the inspector used thinking and not only code book. Most everything else was real so could have argued that they needed wired in appliances. Real shame seeing several thousands being wasted but this was for a high end builder.What is the tough part? :-?
Where the displays in a dwelling unit or not?
If the display was not in a dwelling unit there are no requirements to wire them.
In commercial building. Only the 1 kitchen was real ,but they all ran together so other than by color and design would you know where 1 began or stoped. Thankfully the inspector used thinking and not only code book. Most everything else was real so could have argued that they needed wired in appliances. Real shame seeing several thousands being wasted but this was for a high end builder.
Yes there is and i have seen many offices that meet all of the requirements they listed but still are commercial.I am still lost:-?
Is there a definition of dwelling unit in Article 100?
Do the requirements of 210.52 apply to non-dwelling units?
Yes Jim. What you describe above is a complete and independant living facility: Therefore by article 100 it is a dwelling unit.Yes there is and i have seen many offices that meet all of the requirements they listed but still are commercial.
Had one that had a kitchen most women would kill to own, a dining room,sitting room with TV,full bath,and a room with a closet, mini gulf course out back with patio and grill. I asked her if they intended to live in it because i would suggest adding smokes. They simply spent long days there. Hers was just 1 of many office buildings in a small strip.
So NO Bob it is not always a simple answer in black and white.