Knob and tube 600V

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My apologies to the forum. Bob deleted my quote. My apologies to you chevy. The more I ask, the more I learn. I have never heard any legit arguements on K&T installations. I thought I might of been able to embark on one with you. I guessed wrong.

Later forum;)


~brad jennings
 
76nemo said:
My apologies to the forum. Bob deleted my quote. My apologies to you chevy. The more I ask, the more I learn. I have never heard any legit arguements on K&T installations. I thought I might of been able to embark on one with you. I guessed wrong.

Later forum;)


~brad jennings
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Guess you won't guess anymore.
 
chevyx92 said:
And when was the last time YOU praised K+T to a customer?????~?
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I'll let Bob and others speak for themselves - but I was praising it just the other day to dis-spell myths told to a friend that was told he had to completely re-wire his home in order to sell it - just as un-true as when he was told that the Easter Bunny was coming as a child. And equally as un-true is your hold of the facts of K&T - it like the many other methods has it's dangers and risks - but ALL are accentuated in the hands of the novice or uninitiated.
 
e57 said:
I'll let Bob and others speak for themselves - but I was praising it just the other day to dis-spell myths told to a friend that was told he had to completely re-wire his home in order to sell it - just as un-true as when he was told that the Easter Bunny was coming as a child. And equally as un-true is your hold of the facts of K&T - it like the many other methods has it's dangers and risks - but ALL are accentuated in the hands of the novice or uninitiated.
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Maybe true but nobody here has challenged the fact that it's not an acceptable method anymore. Those are facts by the NEC!
 
chevyx92 said:
Maybe true but nobody here has challenged the fact that it's not an acceptable method anymore. Those are facts by the NEC!
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Uses permitted says something slightly different, and does not make your interpetation of it FACT.
 
chevyx92 said:
Maybe true but nobody here has challenged the fact that it's not an acceptable method anymore. Those are facts by the NEC!
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I have not challenged that because it is simply not true and anyone can read that directly in the NEC.
 
Here's what it says.... (from the 02 NEC) Remains unchanged in 08
II. Installation
394.10 Uses Permitted.
Concealed knob-and-tube wiring shall be permitted to be installed in the hollow spaces of walls and ceilings or in unfinished attics and roof spaces as provided in 394.23 only as follows:
(1) For extensions of existing installations
(2) Elsewhere by special permission

394.12 Uses Not Permitted.
Concealed knob-and-tube wiring shall not be used in the following:
(1) Commercial garages
(2) Theaters and similar locations
(3) Motion picture studios
(4) Hazardous (classified) locations
(5) Hollow spaces of walls, ceilings, and attics where such spaces are insulated by loose, rolled, or foamed-in-place insulating material that envelops the conductors
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As "extention of existing" means it can still be installed....

As for "Uses Not Permitted" - the same could be said for NM....
 
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e57 said:
Here's what it says.... (from the 02 NEC)


As "extention of existing" means it can still be installed....

As for "Uses Not Permitted" - the same could be said for NM....
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Excatly "EXISTING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not new.
 
iwire said:
And I can't install NM outdoors so by your logic all NM is unacceptable.
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Not my logic read 394. Their logic. And we are not talking about NM. Where are the other moderators to delete threads off topic.
 
chevyx92 said:
Guess you won't guess anymore.
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I am not guessing anything. I would be a fool to guess anything on this forum. This forum is full of educated veterans.

#1, if you thought I was guessing something, than maybe I should of been banned for being questionable.

#2, I am not one to argue until you throw theory in my face that I can not subject to. I tried to edge you into theory, but you left me swinging at air.

I still want factors, but you are throwing book knowledge at me. As I told you before, and I will tell you outright, I don't care what your book says. I want your personal belief on why the old K&T installations are dangerous.
 
chevyx92 said:
Not my logic read 394. Their logic.
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I have, I believe I was the first to mention that article in this thread. :cool:

And we are not talking about NM. Where are the other moderators to delete threads off topic.
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The point is all wiring methods have 'permitted uses' and 'not permitted uses'.

The fact a wiring method has 'not permitted' uses does not in any way say that wiring method is unacceptable in general.

It really comes down to the fact that you just want to go by your gut and not the facts.:smile:
 
iwire said:
I have, I believe I was the first to mention that article in this thread. :cool:



The point is all wiring methods have 'permitted uses' and 'not permitted uses'.

The fact a wiring method has 'not permitted' uses does not in any way say that wiring method is unacceptable in general.

It really comes down to the fact that you just want to go by your gut and not the facts.:smile:
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LOL. I am going by facts. Where if I am wrong(which I highly doubt) does it say in our governing book called the NEC, does it allow K+T as a wiring method beyond the 2 strictly overning methods?????????? Its not. The way you come off is that it allowed. So if you hav read it then I will leave your comprehension at the door.
 
You're right, read my signature. I am a Certified Idiot. I am not looking for a knock down, drag out. All of your posts stems from books. Let's hear what you have to say personally.

Okay, I am the idiot, prove me wrong. Go ahead, I am sticking my neck out, take your best shot.
 
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