Knockout Plugs

[iwire]

I always say, "If you ain't bleedin', ya ain't workin'!"

I agree.

I used to watch this guys show on PBS....

....and he was often bleeding and out of breath by the end of the show.

That guy was a true craftsman.

Of course that show was no good, no modern tools to push and be sponsored by.:roll:

 

[76nemo]

Anybody ever seen where a previous guy punched a knockout in a metallic knockout plug to use it as a reducing washer? I see that from time to time. I should take a picture of the next one I see.

Might have one up on that. I have see where EMT was pulled out of distribution panels, and they leave the connector. They turned the connector backwards/inside out, ran the nut, and then threaded a pipe cap on to it:roll:
I can see it as cutting down on labor, much quicker and easier than, "Snap":-? If I only had a camera every time, or should I say, "If only I was permitted to bring a camera into every site":roll:

 

[76nemo]

Might have one up on that. I have see where EMT was pulled out of distribution panels, and they leave the connector. They turned the connector backwards/inside out, ran the nut, and then threaded a pipe cap on to it:roll:
I can see it as cutting down on labor, much quicker and easier than, "Snap":-? If I only had a camera every time, or should I say, "If only I was permitted to bring a camera into every site":roll:

Maybe they are just looking out for the next guy. Hey, if a run is ever added of that same size, there's a free connector, and a hole already punched. Gosh, some people are so thoughful

 

[JohnJ0906]

Might have one up on that. I have see where EMT was pulled out of distribution panels, and they leave the connector. They turned the connector backwards/inside out, ran the nut, and then threaded a pipe cap on to it:roll:
I can see it as cutting down on labor, much quicker and easier than, "Snap":-? If I only had a camera every time, or should I say, "If only I was permitted to bring a camera into every site":roll:

I usually just see an open hole. At least they closed it... :roll:

 

[76nemo]

I usually just see an open hole. At least they closed it... :roll:

And left me a pipe cap too:grin:

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Way out. UL doesn't agree with that opinion either.

Are they listed? I have never seen one with a UL listing mark on it.
Don

 

[jerm]

If they aren't listed then we can't use them at all... I'm going to find out who makes them and get an answer on that one...

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Jeremy,

If they aren't listed then we can't use them at all.

Please cite a code section to support that statement.

I'm going to find out who makes them and get an answer on that one

I don't know who makes them. I do see that non-metallic ones that Marc posted are listed...at least the ones like that that are made by T&B.
Don

 

[mdshunk]

If they aren't listed then we can't use them at all...

That's untrue. There's a heck of a lot of electrical construction material that isn't listed by anyone.

 

[Rockyd]

Are they listed? I have never seen one with a UL listing mark on it.
Don

A lot of Caddy gear I believe is unlisted also, but I dare you to find a more efficient time saver for most commercial applications.

Some things don't have to be listed (don't know, and not doing homework to find out on this item) to be used in the field...Some things fly because they are an industry standard.

Click here for a pic
from Mike Holt's file.​

It may take a second to come up. But it's illustrating the same plug we are discussing.

 

[480sparky]

I agree.

I used to watch this guys show on PBS....

....and he was often bleeding and out of breath by the end of the show.

That guy was a true craftsman.

Of course that show was no good, no modern tools to push and be sponsored by.:roll:

Now what's really the mark of a true craftsman is when you come home at the end of the day and hop in the shower, only to find a bunch of cuts, burns, and bruises that you never knew you had gotten that day!

Seems like I can do this once in a while.... come home and find some injury and I stand there thinking, "Now, where, and when, did I get this?!?!"

 

[mdshunk]

Now what's really the mark of a true craftsman is when you come home at the end of the day and hop in the shower, only to find a bunch of cuts, burns, and bruises that you never knew you had gotten that day!

Seems like I can do this once in a while.... come home and find some injury and I stand there thinking, "Now, where, and when, did I get this?!?!"

Or you finish you're days work, come home and eat supper, then you go to the ER to get stitches. No time during the work day for silly things like getting sewn up. That's why I'm nearly positive that super 33 is antibacterial as well. It's bound more wounds than I can recount.

 

[infinity]

A lot of Caddy gear I believe is unlisted also, but I dare you to find a more efficient time saver for most commercial applications.

I thought that too until I checked:

CADDY Fasteners - Electrical FAQ

Are your products UL Listed?
Yes. All CADDY fasteners, which are subject to a UL specification, are listed. Over 95% of CADDY fasteners have an official UL listing. UL Listings are obtained based on application requirements and some fasteners are listed for positioning only. To view the UL listed CADDY fasteners, please reference the index of the CADDY catalog (CFC).

 

[Rockyd]

I took the easy road on this one....If you check the link on my previous post, it's out of Mike's collection, and think that it would stand up to heavy "investigation" as to being able to fly or not.

Interesting about Caddy, must be some liability relief potential to the upside for them to have items listed.

 

[jerm]

Please cite a code section to support that statement.

I was thinking about 110.3(b), but after re-reading it I guess it only applies to equipment that is listed. It isn't saying that all equipment must be listed.

I retract my statement. (and cite Charlie’s Rule)

 

[480sparky]

Or you finish you're days work, come home and eat supper, then you go to the ER to get stitches. No time during the work day for silly things like getting sewn up. That's why I'm nearly positive that super 33 is antibacterial as well. It's bound more wounds than I can recount.

True story:

A guy I used to work with came home Thursday night with a splinter in his right hand. His wife finally got it out after supper. He went to bed, and his hand had gotten red and was hurting.

Friday morning, we awoke to find his hand swollen up like a basketball. Wife took him to the clinic, and they immediately called an ambulance and sent him to the ER.

By Friday afternoon, he was in a drug-induced coma, and surgeons had removed his right hand. Saturday morning, they amputated his entire right arm. He was dead by Sunday morning.

It was one of those rare bacteria that cannot be treated. Amputation was the only option, and it was already too late for him. By waiting overnight, it had spread too far.

 

[mdshunk]

Don't click here unless you want to be grossed out: http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/mdshunk/stapledhead.jpg


This is me, from a few days ago. I bashed my head on a steel beam in the early afternoon. I finished my days work, went home and ate supper, then went to the ER to get staples to put my scalp back together. The wife was less than pleased.

 

[jerm]

offtopic

offtopic

staples are awesome!

My wife is an RN, she'd be upset they didn't properly shave the area around the laceration before stapling it back together. Violation!

You can buy the tool to take those out for about $6. It's a little scissor-looking tool with two teeth on one side and one tooth on the other side that lands between the two teeth. You just get the two-teeth side under the staple and close the one-toothed side down- it pops the thing right out of your head. Been there!

Having two growing kids and a nurse for a wife, we own all the items needed to install and remove staples here at the house... but we usually just use surgical superglue.

 

[480sparky]

You can buy the tool to take those out for about $6. It's a little scissor-looking tool with two teeth on one side and one tooth on the other side that lands between the two teeth. You just get the two-teeth side under the staple and close the one-toothed side down- it pops the thing right out of your head. Been there!

Don't temp him! Marc has enough tools already! :grin:

 

[jerm]

staples are awesome!
Having two growing kids and a nurse for a wife, we own all the items needed to install and remove staples here at the house... but we usually just use surgical superglue.

AND YES, our ENTIRE HOUSE is wired per article 517!