L 14-50 EV receptacle

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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The issue isn't aluminum vs copper. It is ampacity and termination temperature. It is also whether or not the testing is adequate to test for continuous use. Don and Infinity are right in questioning if the test is really providing a real world use case for the application of EV charging.
And does the heating stem from the wire-to-terminal interface from or the contact-to-blade interface?

My first instinct says it's the latter; inadequate contact area and pressure for the continuous current.

What is physically different about the receptacles that don't overheat? Or do we need a new configuration?
 

Elect117

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Engineer E.E. P.E.
And does the heating stem from the wire-to-terminal interface from or the contact-to-blade interface?

My first instinct says it's the latter; inadequate contact area and pressure for the continuous current.

What is physically different about the receptacles that don't overheat? Or do we need a new configuration?

This is just my opinion. I don't work for a manufacturer nor have I take part in testing.

I believe it is the contact blades and the insulating materials. Cheaper plastics can melt slowly until eventual failure. It would be hard to tell by testing. Cheaper metal could cause a higher than expected temperature that the wire can handle but the plastics can not. There is also the possibility of the contact blades getting micro-scratches that negatively impact their ability to maintain good contact and eventually overheat/fail.

It could also be the chargers that plug into them. Like they are creating heat because those wires are sized to the minimum then the contact blades will of course get hotter and eventual failure occurs. Or partial connection where the charger is only partially inserted or where the charger's blades aren't the correct length, width, etc. to cover the surface area of the receptacle.

Lastly, the °C temp rating on the terminals where the branch circuit lands might not be straight forward and the average joe (homeowner, electrician, handyman, engineer, etc.) is using #8 when they should be using #6. That could create an issue with long term heating and cooling cycles but might not show up at the breaker since it is not exceeding the rating.
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
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Electrical Contractor
It could also be the chargers that plug into them. For example, if they are creating heat because those wires are sized to the minimum then the contact blades will of course get hotter and eventual failure occurs. Or partial connection where the charger is only partially inserted or where the charger's blades aren't the correct length, width, etc. to cover the surface area of the receptacle.
In my opinion, this pic I lifted from post #2 illustrates the main cause:

" . . . inadequate contact area and pressure for the continuous current."

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Elect117

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In my opinion, this pic I lifted from post #2 illustrates the main cause:

" . . . inadequate contact area and pressure for the continuous current."

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I agree. + cheaper plastics melting.

I also wonder if the mechanism that ensures the plates remain tightly closed against the charger (like a spring) are impacted by the heat and overtime are becoming way looser.

After I just spend the last 5 minutes looking at images on google after searching, "melted 50A receptacle" they all appear to the be Leviton, have one phase melted away, and have a bad contact area.
 
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