large hadron collider came online today

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in case you didn't know, the LHC fired up today. an excert from the article I was reading:

At full power, the proton beams at the LHC will run into each other with the force of two 400-ton bullet trains going 100 mph. That amounts to 14 trillion electron volts
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if everything goes right, each pulse of protons will whip around the ring 11,000 times a second, traveling the equivalent of a trip to Neptune and back before they slam into the protons going the other way at four points around the ring
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the ring they're talking about is 17 miles.



There have been several scientists trying to get this thing stopped. They're is a very slight chance it could create a black hole on earth, and swallow us all; so they say.



Anyone know where the info on the power requirements of this machine is?

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Darn, and I bought a lotto ticket ...

Looks like they got the angle of the magnetic deflection wrong, but I do like the lighting holes...
 
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brantmacga said:
in case you didn't know, the LHC fired up today. an excert from the article I was reading:







the ring they're talking about is 17 miles.



There have been several scientists trying to get this thing stopped. They're is a very slight chance it could create a black hole on earth, and swallow us all; so they say.



Anyone know where the info on the power requirements of this machine is?

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After thousands of years of historical recordings of humans trying to wipe each other off the planet by constructing larger and deadlier weapons, it would be a shame to end it all by accidently discovering a black hole, when we have all those wonderful nuclear weapons at our disposal. I vote for nuclear winter.
 
nakulak said:
After thousands of years of historical recordings of humans trying to wipe each other off the planet by constructing larger and deadlier weapons, it would be a shame to end it all by accidently discovering a black hole, when we have all those wonderful nuclear weapons at our disposal. I vote for nuclear winter.
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Do they have an OOPS page in thier operating manual for these morons?? OOPS that little black hole just sucked up Val dsere into the size of a quarter.
 
brantmacga said:
There have been several scientists trying to get this thing stopped. They're is a very slight chance it could create a black hole on earth, and swallow us all; so they say.
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PhysOrg.com describes the goal as replicating elements that formed during a "Big Bang", and full power collisions wont begin until next year. If they succeed it will be new territory, never observed before.

No mention of these "Big Bang" attempts risking larger explosions by chain reaction, but dangerous black holes are being discounted because they are thought to need a critical mass of 100 suns or so. If anything blows I hope its not noticeable from my house.
 
infinity said:
This experiment seems like an incredible waste of money and brain power.
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That was my thought as well.

Roger
 
infinity said:
This experiment seems like an incredible waste of money and brain power.
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Progress.

This is man quest to find the answers to the universe and how it was created, I think it is fantastic. Plus it could lead to finding an infinite source of clean energy, it wont be a waste of money when gas is 25 cents a gallon.
 
zog said:
Progress.

This is man quest to find the answers to the universe and how it was created, I think it is fantastic. Plus it could lead to finding an infinite source of clean energy, it wont be a waste of money when gas is 25 cents a gallon.
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I agree with you. I think people who are against it tend to be "Creationists" .
 
Approximately 125mW, at 3.3 kV.

As far as being a waste of time, almost everything we have today that separates us from cavemen is attributable to physics. What the LHC is designed to do is go deeper and help form a deeper understanding of the particles that form everything. By figuring this stuff out new ideas form, new products form, etc. At least that's the idea.

No doubt it is a huge amount of money, but could you put a monetary figure on something like the fundamental ideas behind electricity and magnetism, or something equally important?
 
chris500 said:
Approximately 125mW, at 3.3 kV.

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Not bring that good at "cypherin' ", in very round figures, how does that compare to say the power requirements of a City of say 100,000 residents.
 
steelersman said:
I agree with you. I think people who are against it tend to be "Creationists" .
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You agree that people who seek to find how the world was created are creationists? That would make sense, wouldn't it? He didn't say 'how it came to be' or 'where it came from,' he said 'how it was created.' If you were attempting to bash creationists, agreeing with them is a flattering way to do it. :) By the way, I'm a creationist and I have no problem with it at all. God created physics too.

Now, so my post (hopefully) won't get deleted, I will add a comment applicable to the OP. If the internet information I found was correct, the energy usage of the LHC thing compares closely to that of a Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier. They may find a way to make gas 25 cents a gallon, but they aren't saving any energy in the process. :)
 
drbond24 said:
God created physics too.
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What a great quote, thats how to end that arguement quickly, even before it started and got this thread closed.

Funny thing is, they are looking for what is called the "God Particle"
 
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