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210.52(F)Laundry AREA

The required receptacle(s) is for the laundry AREA, not the laundry ROOM. So if one should choose to install additional receptacles in the room the laundry AREA is located in, it is permitted. They are not required to be 20 amp either.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Does it not say at least 1 circuit ? So if i have 2 or 3 circuits then they are for the laundry. . . . Like it or not NEC says violation.
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I don't agree that this is a violation, nor do I agree that any circuit passing through the room is not permitted to leave the room.

210.11(C)(2) acknowledges the plural "at least one" because it applies to multi-family dwelling units, and because a single family unit might have more than one washer. Anyone who has ever had two or more kids in diapers at the same time would know the value of extra washers and dryers.

There is a difference in the way various articles in the NEC are worded, from the viewpoint of "how many are needed." One way is to say "at least one. . . ." That phrase tells us that once you have one, you have satisfied the rule, but that you are welcome to have more than one. But this series of words does not contain any prohibition. It does not say that you can't have other things of a different nature in the same area. So when 210.11(C)(2) requires "at least one" laundry circuit, it is not prohibiting installing a general purpose receptacle circuit, or a lighting circuit, or a welding outlet, or a hard-wired garbage disposal in the laundry tub, or a water heater, all in the same "laundry area." None of those circuits carry a "shall have no other outlets" constraint.

As a counter-example, the "at least one" manner of wording is different than the wording of 210.52(B)(1). It uses the phrase "2 or more" followed by the phrase "shall serve all. . . ." So if I see a receptacle on the wall of the dining room, then I know that the circuit serving it is, by rule, a Small Appliance Circuit.
 
:oops: ... after reading all of these 'opinions', I must admit, I'm still a bit confused ... am I allowed to supply a "Light" in the laundry area on the "Laundry Circuit" ...... thanks for putting up with me ... M
 
mario said:
... after reading all of these 'opinions', I must admit, I'm still a bit confused ...
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And you think we're not??? :?

The NEC does not actually say this, but I think we will mostly agree (I hesitate to say "all agree") that when it says "laundry circuit," it means the washing machine. The rule is that you must have one such circuit (with limited exceptions), that you can have more than one such circuit, and that these circuits can supply nothing but washing machines.

I interpret the rest of the rules as saying we can have other circuits the the same room, have them supplying things other than washing machines, and have them supplying things outside the laundry room.
 
pierre said:
210.52(F)Laundry AREA

The required receptacle(s) is for the laundry AREA, not the laundry ROOM. So if one should choose to install additional receptacles in the room the laundry AREA is located in, it is permitted. They are not required to be 20 amp either.
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:eek: In the discussions on vanities in bedrooms, I got the impression that we were to consider them as part of bathroom area. Now you are saying that in the case of the laundry room the laundry area is smaller than the laundry room.

In one case the area is larger than the room; in another the area is smaller than the room.

It's no wonder I get confused so easily.
:D :?
 
:roll: ... DUH ... Thanks guys ... yes I finally realized that the required Circuit is for the "Receptacle" Outlet ...
I love this stuff ... m
 
Ok lets try this.The machine we are talking about has been called a WASHING MACHINE for as long as i been alive.Wont say how old i am but seen Kennedy die.Had they meant washer why didn't they just say so.What happens if i put 2 duplex's behind that washer space,one is dedicated hr other feeds lights and his outside gfci.Now who will tell the 3 rd homeowner what one to plug the washer into ?
 
Just what was the hazard or safety to start with.If my washer stops because breaker trips what will be the damage.However if the SA that feeds my frig trips i could be out a few hundred dollars or even worse get food poisioning ,not to mention my beer would get hot.Just what was there thinking or were they drinking my beer ?
 
OK here's another intelligent (?) question ... I got a "stackable" washer/dryer (gas) ... can I plug the dryer into the "duplex receptacle" along with the "Washing Machine" without being "wrong" ?? ...
 
Cavie said:
Mario. you can plug them both in to a duplex as long as the total load does not exceed 16 amps Table 210.21 B 2
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The total load can be 20 amps. A duplex is 2 receptacles. Look at 210.23.
 
This would be 2 recepticals only if you broke the tab. Then you would have two seperate recepticals. But then you would have two seperate circuits.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
What if washer takes 10 amps
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Then you could plug in another washer or dryer, drawing 10 amps, into the other half of the duplex receptacle.
 
the 50% rule applys to "untilization equipment fastened in place" and plug into circuits that also suply lighting circuits.
 
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