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mbrooke said:
There is a reason why IEC standards are chosen over NEMA several times over in developing countries...
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Do you mean countries like Germany, Sweden, and Japan?



Many of the comments seem to be purposely focusing only on made up scenarios. Ahh, isn't fake news fun?
We need to think outside of our own areas of experience. Decorative loadcenters may seem impracticable if everything you install is in a basement, but what about in a very high end warehouse/loft apartment buildout.
Seriously, do people really think that a UL Listed loadcenter line does not have provisions for 2-pole breakers?
 
jim dungar said:
Do you mean countries like Germany, Sweden, and Japan?
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Japan is under JIS, or Japanese industrial standard. The IEC does use many aspects of the German and Swedish standards as a basis- but ultimately Switzerland has the final say on what makes the international standard.



Many of the comments seem to be purposely focusing only on made up scenarios. Ahh, isn't fake news fun?
We need to think outside of our own areas of experience. Decorative loadcenters may seem impracticable if everything you install is in a basement, but what about in a very high end warehouse/loft apartment buildout.
Seriously, do people really think that a UL Listed loadcenter line does not have provisions for 2-pole breakers?
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I don't believe it was ever mentioned that these load centers could not take a 2 pole. Rather what terminals you connect to, and again what terminals if you begin at an odd number.

For those who are contractors and work with load centers on a regular basis be it new build, service work or panel change outs there are many down falls that immediately stand out. UL listing has nothing to do with that. QO panels are also UL listed, but when you run out of neutral holes your next purchase is a GE load center. Things that make an electrcain's life easier sell, things that do not stay on the shelf. The rest has no bearing.
 
One of us could always compile the questions and concerns here, forward them to Leviton, and report back with their response.

No, I'm not volunteering. :happyno: So, there!
 
In a few years we’ll be replacing the Leviton just like we are replacing the FPE panels. :lol: All kidding aside, neat concept.
 
mbrooke said:
Japan is under JIS, or Japanese industrial standard. The IEC does use many aspects of the German and Swedish standards as a basis- but ultimately Switzerland has the final say on what makes the international standard.
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You are missing the point. Other modern industrial nations use different standards then ours/NEMA.

They are different, not inferior.
 
I am waiting for Leviton to fix the end of life gfi devices they make, it's been going on for too long how brand new gfi outlets are not allowing to be reset, and some of them don't even go a month before they fail/die. Now lets translate that to a whole panel. Yeah good idea boys , good idea. Welcome to the New World.........................................and better.................
 
jumper said:
They are built different.:cool:

So, you can start a new thread if you want to debate some individual parts or equipment or the whole idea.

We should not completely derail this thread.
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Just expressing my opinion based on my humble knowledge and experience, as we all do :angel:
 
jumper said:
Of course.

We can debate the two standards, just need a different thread.
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I don't see why. This panelboard has a clear IEC influenced design, so the IEC issue is perfectly relevant to the Leviton discussion. This will be the first IEC residential panelboard on the market, and I believe that's a big problem.
 
peter d said:
I don't see why. This panelboard has a clear IEC influenced design, so the IEC issue is perfectly relevant to the Leviton discussion. This will be the first IEC residential panelboard on the market, and I believe that's a big problem.
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It is a problem or you just don't like it?

Seems they use IEC equivalent of a panelboard in other countries for many years now, I don't think anybody that uses them feels they are too much of a problem. They possibly have their favorites just like people here often do.
 
peter d said:
I don't see why. This panelboard has a clear IEC influenced design, so the IEC issue is perfectly relevant to the Leviton discussion. This will be the first IEC residential panelboard on the market, and I believe that's a big problem.
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Well a possible IEC influence on this particular panel is relevant but how would that make it relevant to a discussion on all products and the differences between the standards.

It would be a discussing some silly resi panel that prolly will die a quick death, while other IEC equipment is being used broadly in a variety of applications.

Given the title many who may wish to discuss motors or such could prolly not be interested or even know the tangent this thread could take. Seems that that would just muddle this thread and limit the scope of debate needlessly.
 
I like that the Dual function breakers have LED lights that tell you what the breaker tripped on either arc fault or ground fault. I assume if it is a short circuit no lights will be on.
 
Sorry for asking about IEC specs, didn't mean to derail this thread...

Can we continue ragging on Leviton's panel? :lol:

seriously, I cant see those end of life breakers being replaced at near $200 a pop (service call plus parts).

If these panels start getting installed en masse, there is another question to ask the HO before you get there: "what color are the breakers?" "white" "^&%$#!!!"
 
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